Engine Drivetrain 1st Gen Cooper S Most liked posts in thread: G-Force Chip - Real or Rip Off

Wow.....I just lost a whole lotta respect for you.

Can you tell just from a visual inspection if a head job was done right? Same thing applies here. Lots of folks with working knowledge of how things work are comfortable saying this is just smoke and mirrors.

Should we be concerned with your advertising?

 

Example:

A new drug/pill comes out. It promises to enhance your, um, nether regions and help with other "male" problems. It's not tested by the FDA, but some people "swear" it works. And their advertising makes it look legit. Heck, I mean, they're even doing well enough to sponsor a car NASCAR.

But, NUMEROUS Doctors say that it doesn't work. ("There is no such thing as a [this type of] pill that works. These are all things that are sold for profit. There's no science or substance behind them.") Have they tried it personally, probably not, but they still give their opinion of it.

So, if you didn't know anyone who had personally tried it, would you?

A perhaps extreme, but still similar, example.



P.S. - What if I told you that later, the CEO of that company was found guilty of 93 counts of conspiracy, fraud and money laundering, sentenced to 25 years in prison and ordered to pay $93,000 in fines? And the company was ordered to forfeit $500 million.

 

Actually most any Cylinder Head man can have a good idea on the performance from a Head that is worked.
This is why I supply testimonies for my stuff. and it is also way I asked for Actual results.. to help stop this rederick and should coulda woulda.. I guess that not only have you lost respect for me... you havent tried it either. Cool!

And that is all I asked.. anyone tried this??

Jim.. sorry I am lost here,, icing the engine makes the engine think it is hotter?? I was using a Carb dynamics.. not the ECU and the colder the denser the fuel and the more ign you can add. the same IF the ECU thinks the air is cold.. more ign timing.

LOL.. hey you guys.. getting pissed at some one who keeps asking the same question " Have you used it and what did it do" seems kinda funny to me. I should think a answer like NO, or yes it did this or didnt do this would have worked fine, dontcha think??

Just me....................................

Thumper

 

Mike you miss my point...

it's not about power valves or resistors. It's about global claims that there is some cheap magic fix that will yeild lots of power. I just used power valves as an example.

These guys make global claims based on thier "fix". Yes you can find a few examples of cases where low cost mods really do create benefit, but when you look at the explanation behind them it makes sense. There even is one on the R56. Moving that locating plastic thing that locks the strut guides to get about 1/2* more negative camber is cheap, works and has an explanation that make sense.

And you can find a gazillion of things that are "cheap"... "what the car companies, government, black helecoptors or whatever" don't want you to know that are total BS.

With this thing setting a fixed temp for the ECU to see in IATS during WOT doesn't make sense. IF IATs would have been colder on a given day anyway, it will do just the opposite as when it would have been hotter on another day. How can that be a good thing?

And I did tell you all how to make one of these for cheap that would even be settable. See some of the posts above.

There are tons of FI bandaids out there. The Mynes guys were selling a voltage clamp. That's a level above this that can be used on "ehnaced" boosted cars to let the ECU see the changes in boost up until it gets really high, when the ECU would throw a code. And it holds the pressure sensor reading at some level that keeps the car from throwing the code. but you better have a rich tune because at the boost and RPM rise, you'll get leaner and leaner, eventually riding the knock sensor to keep things safe. As it leans you may even get power! That has an explanation that makes sense.

Anyway, have at it and report back. I'm all ears.

Matt

 

Nope, never used one, so I can't report on how useless they really are, but from what I've read about this kind of thing, I won't bother.

Mark

 

I don't know mike, if I see a turd on the street I am going to go out on a limb and say it tastes like a turd. I don't need to taste it to figure it out. It's that simple.

If it were a more sophisticated device I would tend to follow your argument, say for example the people that argue against the sprint booster without actually trying it.

But a turd is a turd, no need to try it.

 

Yep!! y'all are all correct. I NEVER said it was a turd or gold!

I never said it works !! ( actually others here said how it works)

I would NOT tell anyone to use it!! untill I get my own results.


All I asked was....... DID ANYONE USE IT?? And if so what was their results??

The answers on this site are a resounding NO!! So I will test it my self and see what happens!!

Just a thought here.. what makes some cars faster than others?? It is the little things others feel isnt worth the time!

SOoooooooo... I guess we are done here?? Or is there someone who has tried it?? Dr. is at least running research on an actual use of this technology.. lol. It seems the rest just see a turd!! cool. DONT waste your money!!

Just me...........................................

Thumper

 

Please wash your hands afterwards .... lol

 

Using a resistor...

fixes a temp. Anyway, I got in touch with John and here's what he said....

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Oh yes, I remember our resistor discussion. The purpose of the resistor was to "fool" the ECU into thinking that the ambient air was cooler than it really is. The ECU should respond to low temperatures with slightly leaner mixtures and maybe more ignition advance. What I did was to measure the resistance of the temperature sensor with the engine stone cold and the ambient temperature about 60 degrees. As I recall, that resistance value was about 1.5K ohms. Better measure it for yourself. I connected a DPDT toggle switch so I could select the 1.5K resistor vs the temperature sensor and ran the car on the dyno. A definite small peak in torque and HP was noted with the resistor in place. I decided that the "improvement" in torque was too minimal to justify a risk of detonation on a hot hot day.

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So there you have it, there was a slight bump with a trick in place. Now, the G-force would have to have this same value to get the same bump.

Matt

 

If in fact, this device is just a resistor in parallel with the OEM thermistor it will have the effect of slowing down the resistance change in the circuit as temp changes.

So, for example if Ta = 100F, the ECU might see it as only 80F. Depends on the resistor and thermistor values, etc., etc

 

Before SRT4s were fully unlocked, mass amounts of people used "map clamps" to do very primitive tuning on their cars. All you needed was a boost controller and a AFR. Had a friend pick up A LOT of power doing this, and this alone, but you are dealing with a turbo. Where PSI is easier to change then one spark plug...

IMO, and like Dr.O i think has been saying, this works, but only as a band-aid, and is nothing compared to a real tune.

Why there is such argument over something like this, is beyond me.

 

6 pages of comedy.....................

some just don't understand they are the comedy..............

 

i BOUGHT ONE BUT WHEN i READ THE DIRECTIONS i REFUSED TO CUT WIRES SO IT SITS ON A SHELF.

 

Awwwwww man...........

You were the one we were all searching for. Someone who bought one. And that someone who had actual first hand experience with it.

So close........

It was not meant to be.....

 

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Hey! I like that song

 

I always liked most of MJ stuff myself.

I thought that this thread was going to dissipate into the archives of what ifs. :lol:

There is never going to be more than a couple (1) that actually have experienced testimony and I can see that the one tested results will be parallel to the like of Salem Witch Trials. A series of responses some fearing the truth by acting as a hearing court in which M/A member(s) are wrongly accused of practicing witchcraft on MINIs . Although no one can name one specific test on the product so like the Witch Trials it will go into forum history and in the end we do know who will get hung guilty(right) or not(wrong). :lol:

 

Like the witch scene from the Holy Grail:lol:
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Mark