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  1. MCS02

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    yes it is
     
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    How long did the car sit with a dead battery?
    Kinda suspect the imoblizer is toast. The car MUST read it on the key to allow a start.
    Key look ok? Any water dammage? Battery in the trunk has TWO postive leads...one to the starter is unfuzed, but has a airbag like charge on it to disconnect it is there is an accident....corrosion can cause an issue...as can the long cable runs with chafing....so i would look at them and test the starter and its grounds......
    I would be inclined too look for water dammage....sounds knda like a water/corosion issue with the lights...maybe wiring harness..200,000 is lots of miles on a gen1 S....if i recall right the clutch switch is a "halls postion" switch....so no easy test with a voltmeter.
     
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    Well before I dropped the starter out I jumped the starter + leads together and the starter spun freely. Also the starter side wouldn't pick up voltage like the solenoid was bad. I even jumped the starter directly with another battery to bypass the wiring and make sure it wasnt a bad connection or low voltage. Same problem. It just spun and did not engage. I am going to replace the starter tomorrow afternoon after oriellys closes. Let's just hope I can get around with all the bf sales going on. :S
     
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    Yeah but I fixed the lights and even if the clutch switch was bad by me hot wiring the constant 12v at the starter solenoid to the starter it should of started right?
     
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    You may be on the right track. But I didn't suspect the starter because in your video the lights did not dim or change at all when you moved the key to the start position.
    The Bentley manual states that if the starter fails to operate it is the EWS system(immobilizer) key or the clutch switch.
    Just have them test your starter before you spend your money.
    Have you checked to see if its giving a code? Also it sounded like this problem started suddenly after the son used the car is this correct?

    It sounds like you know what your doing. Sorry not to be of more help. I hate this type of problem.

    Good luck
     
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    #21 Tummi_Gummi, Nov 22, 2012
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    Yes that is correct the sons friend was the last one to have it working. I feel like the dash lights would only dim if the starter solenoid was able to transfer power to the starter motor and use power in some way. even if the motor was shot power would still cycle through it. There is a constant 12v supply to the solenoid which acts as a relay. Is there something I am not doing right that would engage the starter? Or is the starter spinning like it is without touching the flywheel a bad actuator or whatever it is called(the engager to the flywheel spring)

    I work on my other car a whole bunch. I did a full custom turbo swap on it. It was all on my own with nothing to research since there were no write ups on it.

    I took some pictures of the car today.

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    Owner before the previous owner claimed to had just put a new engine in it cause it went out the one before it. He dropped in a rebuilt motor. There are lots of new shiny parts and the engine is really clean the bottom looks super dirty in the video before it had a torn axle and the grease just spewed everywhere but after wiping it down it is spotless and very shiny.

    I have some more on my other camera I will get them on here when I get out of the shower. I really appreciate all the help. You guys(and gals if there are any helping) are amazing and very knowledgeable people. This is my first bmw and my 2nd car ever. I have worked on suzukis only so this car is a walk in the dark to me. I know the basics are there and functions of stuff but I don't even know where the oil filter is at or the oil drain plug on this thing or which is the power steering fluid and ect.. haha I ordered a chiltons book from o riellys and will get it tomorrow.(closed early for thanksgiving... the only downside to holidays!)
     
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    well I'm not sure how you jumping the starter. If you are just putting 12v to the motor then only the motor will spin. You must jump the solenoid and power it so that it will engage the starter motor into the fly wheel. When I had a 69 mustang I would do that to check the solenoid but I am careful about jumping things on the Mini you could cause more problems.
    If you have the starter off ORiellys can test it for you.
    I'm not a Chiltons fan. Bentley is far better. here is a link to parts geek this is the best price I have found.

    2002-2006 Mini Cooper Paper Repair Manual - W0133-1899292 Bentley - Fluids/Manuals/Misc 02-06 Cooper Paper Repair Manual - PartsGeek.com
     
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    Oriellys tested the starter and it is fine. I know the ignition is fine. So i guess im back to the :confused5: state
     
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    #24 Tummi_Gummi, Nov 23, 2012
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    No 12volt signal at the starter solenoid when the ignition is turning over. I am guessing there is something with that clutch switch since I know it's getting 12volt ignition switch. Just to verify does anyone know the exact ignition pathing? Key ignition--> clutch switch---> fuse box ---> starter solenoid? something like that. I still don't have my book

    edit: There is an immobiliser that drops in there somewhere. All the fuses check out good, the clutch and ignition switches functions. Honestly all i think is now that it is that immobiliser. Now my question is, would the keyless entry work even if the key wasn't programmed for starting the car? Is the "proximity sensor" in the immobiliser box? If I replace the immobiliser will I have to have it repogrammed for my car? I found a box for 40$ on ebay but it is in the UK so it would prolly run close to 80 after shipping. What do you all think>
     
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    I think you nailed it right there
     
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    Chad at Detroit Tuned is good about answering questions. He helped me at the Dragon last year. You could email him or maybe one of the other sponsors. They are all helpful. I have just used Detroit Tuned. They know 10x more then I do.
    I have heard good things about Way Motor Works also. Most of the sponsors really go out of there way to help.
    When Chad helped me he was working on 3 other cars, good guy.

    Let us know what the fix was when you find it or if you need more help.
     
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    Well hot wiring the 12volts to the starter solenoid doesnt do anything haha. I mean its cranking over but I don't think there is any sparks going on at all
     
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    So I replaced the EWS computer and the car now cranks with the key but will still not start. At least the computer did fix something. Someone told me on another forum that the pcm needs to be reprogrammed to the new EWS.

    So I towed the car to my BMW dealership and they will get at it tomorrow sometime and hit me up telephonicly. I hope it's just the simple reprogramming. That would be sweeeeet!!!


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    Cause this is what I feel like happened to my mini lmao
     
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    Glad to hear you got your Mini running. :Thumbsup: Sorry about the pump
     
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    Pshhh who needs power steering, my classic Mini didn't have any power steering ;)

    Glad to hear it starts now! I still take a good look over everything in the engine bay to make sure there isn't another problem ready to happen.

    Keep us updated!
     
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    good to hear that it is running now!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    :cornut: $8k in that MINI isn't bad at all.:Thumbsup:

    :cornut: Now seeing your MINI............If I had $8k..........I'd gladly give you $8k for it.:Thumbsup:

    Jason
     
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    #40 ZippyNH, Dec 2, 2012
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    Congrats on getting it running!!
    The ps fluid on the mini is not standard....so pick up some at the dealer....vw also uses it...some NAPA stores stock it....it is petrosin brand, and is not compatible with the common stuff...mix it and bad things happen....like seal go on the ps rack.
    Hopefully for such a high mile car, the motor/tranny will be able to handle the mods!!
    Diy'ing some stuff is a great way to save some $$, but as you found, some items are dealer only due to computer or speclized troubling shooting...but better than throwing parts at it.
     
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    Nice MINI congrats on getting it on the road. :Thumbsup: