Our governments answer for almost everything is "throw more money at it".. As we see that doesn't work... They need to shut some of those departements down all together but it won't happen.. Too many friends of friends up there getting paid thru them...
It has spirled out of control up there, and I think even they don't know what to do to "start" trying to fix it.. In order to fix it they will make alot of people up there "in the system of the government" unhappy and or out of a job but it needs to be done...
Kinda like we'll never go to the flat tax, or at least not to the extent of pay your rate on each paycheck and then not file at the end of the year, just pay as you go and be done with it... Won't happen, IRS is too big to let it happen and or be cut back..
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I usually enjoy pushing buttons but these same old responses are just boring.
Good day sirs,
Chris -
Well darn, looks like the US built Fisker Nina is not the next in line. According to Autoweek, the next Fisker built will be the Surf wagon based on the Karma and one would suppose built in good old Finland too!!!
We really do need a green 19mpg station wagon don't we?
...our tax dollars working hard for us!
PS: For the Fisker fans (it is a cool looking car), one can be seen residing in Charlie's old beach house garage on Two and a Half Men, as the Fisker is his replacements car of choice! -
Went to our local Cadillac, Lotus dealer yesterday afternoon to show the wife a red Exige they have there! To my surprise, they are now a Fisker dealer too and a silver Karma adorned the showroom floor...tis a handsome car indeed.....
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What..... And you didn't take any pictures ???
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They were closed and the pics through glass didn't come out right. I'll go over and get a pic of me sitting in it this week...lol
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We want to see the picture of you signing for delivery of one...
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The Fisker is out of my price range, but we were over there to look at a Volt which was right next door. It's about time for the wife to get a new car....
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Most people will argue that all of the resources required to build and power an electric are greater than those for a gas or diesel one. However, most of the time they are comparing to cost at the pump for gas, not taking into account all the resources required to get that gas to the pump.
The argument also states that our grid cannot handle these new vehicles, but if you also remove the electricity required to refine, deliver and transport gasoline then the argument starts to lose the ability hold water. -
Still think we are a couple breakthroughs away from electric to be truly green... When Solar becomes efficient enough and we have a much better storage cell than our present batteries it might be realized. Until then Oil is still the best and cheapest way to power an automobile..
Nathan on the green side you also must consider the impact on our environment if just 20% of the cars on the road were electric and we were having to dispose of all the used up batteries....
Much if my point in this whole thread is the misused funds, funds that would have been better spent funding research at places like MIT, to find those breakthroughs. When they do, we the taxpayers should also hold part of the patents on those technologies.
Do a bit of research into who actually owns the latest battery technology and you might be or not be surprised to find that oil companies hold the patents, because they are funding the companies doing the research. -
I research and follow the automotive battery industry. I took all the I made from Internet Brands going private and buying up all the stock and dumped it into a Chinese battery maker.
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Did you get down to who actually held the patents on the key technology?
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Exactly Jim and that's why we need cost effective solar panels along with storage to produce the energy at home, ourselves. When we have that capability, electric will be trully viable.
PS: Another thing to consider is if we have to purchase the electricity from the power companies, how high will their rates go? Here in NC, Duke Energy is trying to get a huge rate increase as we speak, now what would happen if everyone was charging their cars too? -
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As long as the oil companies are funding the research for this it will either never be found or if it is they the oil company will just pack it away storage till they find a way to use it and make more money from it then they are getting from oil currently...
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While it may be expensive now the more people that get in on these the faster the costs will drop for all.
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Yep I have even seen the solar garages! Cost is high though and the return if nothing breaks is long in coming. That said, this is the right direction but me thinks only a temporary one....
When we can have cost efficient solar power production for our homes and the ability to again, cost effectively store the energy, we can then charge our cars directly from that system... Investing the money in one system.
As Trump said the other day the cost recovery time at present is simply too long. He said that he had looked extensively at solar systems for his buildings and at present time, its takes 32 years to recover the initial cost through the savings, and that is if nothing has to be replaced in those 32 years. Do you know of anything with a 32 year functioning life without repairs and replacements, not to mention obsolescence?
It's coming but it's just not here yet, even with the huge federal tax subsidies. Here if you install a system on your home you are eligible for up to a $15,000.00 Fed tax break and local companies are even offering free heat pumps with the purchase. Expensive? Heck yeah.
Same holds for the cars. Looked at a Volt, actually a pretty nice car with some great technology for today! But it cost $45,000.00. Now to try and get me to buy it, the government will give me $7,500.00 of your tax dollars in the form of a deduction. I'm still left paying $37,500 for a car that should be closer to $30,000.00 and technology that could be obsoleted in the blink of an eye. Then consider the cost of replacing the batteries down the road and well...... Then consider the Leaf, a very expensive...golf cart.
PS: The purchaser of each new $97,000.00 Fisker Karma is also eligible to receive $7,500.00 from the taxpayers in addition to the $592million they already have invested!! -
More Fisker Fun Follies...
A $100,000-plus Fisker Automotive luxury car died during Consumer Reports speed testing for reasons that are still unknown, leaving the struggling electric car startup with another blow to its image.
"It is a little disconcerting that you pay that amount of money for a car and it lasts basically 180 miles before going wrong," David Champion, senior director for the magazine's automotive test center, told Reuters.
Fisker has benefited from the publicity generated when actor Leonardo DiCaprio was handed the first Karma last summer and pop idol Justin Bieber received one as a gift this month.
The breakdown of the Consumer Reports car is more bad news for a company that already recalled some Karmas. Fisker also has changed its CEO and halted production over the past month as it seeks to renegotiate the terms of a $529 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy.
Champion said since the magazine buys the cars it tests anonymously the company may not know.
In a statement, Fisker said it was assessing the source of the problem that caused its Karma plug-in hybrid to fail. Fisker dispatched two engineers Wednesday night to examine the car.
"It's important to note that with more than 400 Fisker Karma sedans already on the road in the U.S., we also have many satisfied customers who are enjoying daily commutes in their cars," Fisker said in the statement. -
Jason Montague New MemberLifetime Supporter
:cornut: Any time that one form of energy is converted to another form, there is a 10% loss. I don't think that The Gov can run an extension cord to the Sun any time soon(although we're already paying enough taxes for them to have done it several times over) .
Jason
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