You may have a bad caliper sucking air and or a bad master cylinder.. Would seem to have been found when bleeding by the so called experts though.. 2cents
I see you are in PA, how far are you from Helix in Philly? If it's not to far, I'd call Eric at Helix and take it to them, they'll get it straightened out.
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goaljnky New Member
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
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The rear brake pistons must be fully screwed in when changing pads. If fluid weeps around the bleeder nipple instead of only through bleeder valve when opening, could be a cross thread or galled nipple. As for uneven wear, there could be a kink in the P-brake cable.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
If your rear caliper is sticking it could be overheating the fluid causing it to boil giving you a mushy pedal and causing inconsistant stopping. I'd take a good look at that rear caliper before I'd replace the master cylinder.
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Jason Montague New MemberLifetime Supporter
:cornut: With all of the above advice................Go to Eric @ Helix in Philly
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Thanks Dave & Mark.
You wouldn't happen to have the caliper part number handy, would you?-
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Thank you very much!
I'm gonna talk it over with my mechanic and I may just gamble on a new caliper - after of course, checking the master cylinder for leakage.-
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I agree with maybe the master cylinder leaking. Since the brakes have been bled and it sounds like people have inspected the system for any leaks, I would also guess that you still have air in the brake system, such as in the ABS where it can be hard to get the air out of the ABS. It might take multiple bleedings to get the air out of the ABS block. It would be best to take the car to a shop that can properly cycle the ABS while bleeding the system.
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Could be a few things, but to me it sounds like the master cyl has an internal leak. I think I'd look into that.
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For those that are a little geographically challenged Pittsburgh is in the western end of PA and Philly is pretty much as far east as you can go in PA. It's like 300 miles from one to the other. The route is a toll road too, one of the most expensive per mile in the US.
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Thanks for the input guys.
I will check into the master cylinder and the ABS unit.
As for Helix, I wish they were closer. I like Eric and he did a great job when he tuned/upgraded my R53 two years ago. But I live on the Penn/Ohio border - almost as far as you can get from Helix and still be in PA. I'm 80 miles north of Pittsburgh even.
Maybe I'll try the Cleveland, OH dealership... does anyone know anything about them? "Classic BMW MINI" in Willoughby Hills, OH? -
Surely there is at least a good independent BMW shop in your area?
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When looking at the rear caliper what am I looking for?
Sorry, I'm not a mechanic, so you'll have to use small words.
How do I tell if there's something wrong with it functionally? I looked fine when I changed the pads. It looked exactly like the one on the other side of the car. No evidence of leaks, just lots of brake dust. The rubber seal around the piston looked fine too. The only difference between the two calipers was the uneven wear and the piston was hard to compress. How hard? I was cranking and cranking and cranking away on it, so much so that my arm was sore the next day. (It doesn't help that there's very little play in the brake line and you can't really get any leverage on it.) -
Did you rotate the piston as you compressed, on the rear calipers?
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Oh yeah. Rotated the crap out of it!
Used one of these:
http://www.harborfreight.com/18-piece-disc-brake-pad-and-caliper-service-tool-kit-97143.html
Though I think now that I would have been better off with one of these:
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If you were rotating the piston as you compressed, it shouldn't have been that hard to compress. Was it hard to compress both rears or just one?
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Just the driver's side. The passenger side went as easy as the fronts.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Tom, since you had the pad completely gone on the inside, chances are you just weren't getting the piston back on the threaded part of the rod so that it would go back in.....I've seen that before. You need to push really hard while you turn just to get it started, once it starts it should go back in easily with the HF tool. Sometimes the tool binds also, then you just need to turn the nut the threaded part goes thru to loosen it up.
The fact that one side was worn completely and one wasn't means either the caliper is sticking and not retracting when you let off the pedal, or the handbrake was left on (was the other side worn the same way? If not, the handbrake was not left on) or the handbrake mechanism is sticking. But again, as it was the inside pad that was worn out, if it was dragging it could have overheated the fluid due to heating the piston, causing the fluid to boil and the pedal to go long and the car to act squirrely....that's what it sounds like to me, given all of your clues.
I doubt there's anything you can do to fix the caliper except replace it - if that's where the trouble is, but based on your description that's what it sounds like to me. Did you clean and lube the slider pins when you replaced the pads?
Same with the master cylinder, only it will probably be more expensive. Check Real OEM for relative prices....
EDIT: According to Real OEM the m/c and caliper are about the same price
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