Les does the sound change when you turn left or right butting a sideways load on it?
-
Crashton Club Coordinator
-
Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Does the sound change with road speed? Bad wheel bearings usually change pitch with road speed....
-
I haven't had a chance to check for those classic signs as of yet.
I did notice this morning that it seems to be getting louder and here's something odd as well.
The ASC light came on and stayed on for the entire commute this morn. But then upon return later this morn it did not come on.
Raining cats and dogs now (and the occasional Alpaca) so I can't check anything.
I replaced both drivers side hubs on the old '02 MCS right around 50k miles and within a month or so of each other.
Reckon I better start looking into sourcing some hubs.
....Les -
Crashton Club Coordinator
If the wheel is starting to get some play in it because of the bearing it is possible it can affect the wheel speed sensor. As for best prices Classic MINI gives a nice sewing site discount. :wink:
-
I take this to mean that ASC activation is comparative wheel speed sensitive?
I'll have to give WMW a call see what he wants for a wheel hub.
I don't think I have enough empirical data just yet to say with certainty that it is the wheel hub.
....Les -
Crashton Club Coordinator
As spendy as those parts are I think I'd want to know for sure before buying them. My dad had a Chrysler Empirical, but I'd bet the hubs were different.
-
Redbeard JCW: because fast is fun!Supporting Member
Simple check for a toasted wheel bearing we use at tech inspections for an autox:
With the car on the ground go to the suspect wheel. Put both hands on the top of the side wheel/tire. Push and release (with enough force that the whole car will move a bit). If you hear a clicking or a clunking there is a chance it's a bearing. If you FEEL the wheel clunking independant of the rest of the car that's 95% likely the bearing is toast. -
Yeah Chuck, the hubs are probably different. Dang! And I bet they're a lot cheaper to boot!
So I should push sharply in at the top of tire.
Waddaya think Chuck? Should I believe anything an uneducated person from California posts? :wink:
But then again, they could be right, from way over on the left.
I'll meander out to the garage now and see what I can see.
....Les -
The only way you will know with certainty the wheel bearing is bad is to remove it and turn by hand. A flat ball or loss of lubrication can be felt easily without the axle attached.
-
Nope. No clicking or movement.
If I recall correctly from the '02, there really wasn't any movement, just a slight vibration, like maybe a ball had a flat spot or something.
But it would change a bit with speed and direction.
It wasn't until I took the hub off and had it in me mitts and gave it a spin that I could actually feel it. Took it with me out to Classic and compared it to a new one. What a difference.
Anyways, when I get some time I'll pull that hub off and see what it feels like.
Tomorrow we've got to run down to Polk, Ohio and pick up a dozen pullets plus feed so that'll pretty much eat up the day.
....Les
P.S. I think Keith and I were typing at the same time. -
Redbeard JCW: because fast is fun!Supporting Member
I'm totally with Keith. The only way to be 100% sure is to pull it apart and get a hand on it. My way is just a "fast and dirty" way of doing it. It's very effective for tech inspections though. We've caught our fair share of bad bearings over the years like that. -
I let the noise get louder and so finally pulled off the hub that I suspected was the culprit.
Here's a couple of pics for those that have never done this before.
It doesn't spin freely, and makes an odd frapping noise when you do rotate it. Called Classic MINI and they have one in stock. Will run over there on lunch tomorrow and pick it up. The Mrs. wishes to go as well to look over the Countryman offerings.
I'll get it back together tomorrow evening in time for dinner.
Cool part is that my 8 year old 20 dollar impact wrench finally failed, and so I needed to get something to replace it. Picked up the Ingersoll Rand 231C.
Wow!
'Nuff said
....Les -
So I'm not quite done with this noise on the drivers side front wheel. But I think I'm close.
I've done quite a few wheel bearings over the years on a variety of different cars/trucks/whatevers. And so I'm fairly familiar with what they sound like when they're going south.
But this time I was a bit stumped because whilst the noise sounded vaguely familiar, I wasn't completely sure. So, that's why I took it apart for the "in hand test". Yep, the wheel hub/bearing was definitely bad. Turning it you could feel tiny vibrations and then there was that strange frapping noise.
Put it all back together with a new wheel hub/bearing assembly from Classic MINI and.......mmmmmm.....what's that other strange noise coming from that same corner.
Checked and re-torqued my assembly, and all was well there. Drove it for a couple of days and the noise persisted. No vibrations, no clicking, almost like a dragging pad but it didn't change when I applied the brakes.
Did change when you would change directions. Stumped.
One evening working in the garage I needed to move the MINI so I just pushed it. Hey...what's that strange noise coming from the TIRE!!
Jacked the MINI up and swapped the tires on that side front to back. Pushed the MINI and no noise from that corner. Took the MINI for a ride. No noise from that corner.
I think I have a bad tire. Won't be able to get down to the tire store until Monday.
ButI believe it was there all along just intermixed with the knackered wheel hub/bearing noise.
The saga continues.
...Les -
Redbeard JCW: because fast is fun!Supporting Member
Well I'm glad you got the bearing sorted out.
That's a bummer about the tire. I just got rid of some bad ones. They actually caused a low speed noise that sounded mechanical. I knew it was the tires because as soon as I swapped to the race tires the noise went away. So, I feel yer pain there.