I'm concerned with the amount of religious influence I'm seeing in our government - there is supposed to be complete separation of church and state. This and the war on women and women's rights make it so I cannot in good conscience vote for any republicrat. They are all a bunch of crooks and liars and I see no hope for the future being any better. Bad choices are the same as no choice in my view.
I'll vote, the polling place is only a 2 block walk. Instead of worrying which fool will be president I'm focusing on learning more about my local races as "all politics is local". Tip O'Neill
I am one who believes in the constitution. It is unfortunate that people have gotten lazy and no longer take the time to understand it. Most listen to the sound bites and hang on the first thing that sounds good, never really asking any questions. It is unfortunate that we do not have better choices this time around. I believe we probably agree on most matters, but their are those on both sides that seek to divid us, as people and a nation. Here is where it starts, on forums, at work, at home at Thanksgiving dinner. We pick sides and argue. Does it make a difference? Will the back and forth here change anyones mind? Our country is in a mess, there is plenty of blame to go around. Fighting each other only blinds us to truth of what is happening. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness The Declaration of Independence Does anyone here not agree with this statement? I have political ammunition too but have decided not to use it. I care more about my neighbor and fellow citizen then about defending some self centered politician. Lets just let this go and find away to agree. Then we can see straight to set the course of our country. Its time we all go back and read the The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States and ponder this question, Is this what we really have?
One is a chronic and habitual liar and the other is an idiot who only sprews hatred. I'm voting for neither, but will focus on the rest of the REPUBLICAN ticket.
It seems like there are just as many people voting AGAINST one candidate or the other as there are people voting FOR one or the other. Out of 324-million people, this is the best we can get? CD
Yeah remember that Obama voters. You currently see what "Change" and "Hope" got you in the last 8 years. JackS h I t. :lol: I want a Man in the Oval office that is not afraid of the Middle east and will fire the rockets. ( Not Nukes ) We can bomb those stupid countries back to the stone age without putting any US Troops on the ground and put Russia back in its place. They "Russia" will not attack us and we will not attack them, the Middle East is both countries battlefield. It has been this way for ever.
Yup they are the best that American people voted for and Corporation for Hillary donated money for. She has been bought and paid for. I don't want to hear people crying because they did not vote in the Primaries or voted 3rd party that was just stupid. All the other 3 party guys could not raise the cash or did not have a clue what Aleppo was. Face it we are a 2 party system and all the other little parties are a waste of every ones time and money.
Might be away from prying eyes and be an off-off-off topic area yet do not let this denigrate to Fox News level shouting. It'll be stopped. This is an escape. Keep it that way.
Another thing I find telling... George H Bush is voting for Hillary (someone I have a ton of respect for. George, not Hillary). George W Bush isn't endorsing Trump (Someone I don't have quite as bit of respect for, but as a former president, still deserves respect).
Thanks, Nathan. My OP was really about my frustration with the 2016 Presidential election, and how disappointed I am with BOTH candidates -- well, the two who have any chance of winning. I find myself having to vote for the one that I judge as the "least worst." I can't help but feel that I'm far from being alone on that. For me, NOT voting is NOT and option. People died for my right to vote, so I feel an obligation to participate. So, I'll hold my nose and vote for my "least worst." CD
Oh stop already. This thread is the most traffic M\A has had in a while if you don't count the word assoc thread and the BS MF feeds. It's open, leave it open, don't wuss out.
I agree voting is important, it's a civic duty bought and payed for by people far braver than me. I can't vote lesser of two evils; evil is still evil. It's why I'm voting 3rd party for president, straight republican for everything else....Yes, a third party candidate will not win, but enough 3rd party votes will have an impact; both parties will try to win them back. It's my only hope for genuine progress--for the republicans, who have lost touch with a substantial portion of various subgroups in our population, and for the democrats, who are subservient to a political machine that controls the party. It's really low tide for both parties. In a side note, this is one of the most civil discussions I've come across on the elections; who'd of thunk it would be on MA. In other words, if there was ever a thread that should remain open, this one would get my vote.
Okay, time for some on-topic humor. No matter what happens, ya' gotta keep your sense of humor. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDepZD6fSfg"]Lewis Black: Black to the Future - The Longest Election Cycle - YouTube[/ame] CD
Except that you wouldn't want him to run the country the way he has run his businesses. A sleazy history of enriching himself at others expense, and so proud about "using the laws of the country to my benefit" (which are of course rigged in his favor): http://www.npr.org/2016/03/17/470806232/opening-the-books-on-donald-trumps-business-deals-in-atlantic-city Maybe I should write in Warren Buffett for president: http://fortune.com/2016/10/10/presidential-debate-donald-trump-warren-buffett/
Thank you. I think what makes the USA great is that we are a nation of very different people, and yet we seem to keep it going. We have serious disagreements, but we can still sit side-by-side at a pizza joint with other people who drive the same car we drive, and have a good time. A liberal democrat can eat pizza with a conservative republican, because they drive the same car -- and they both like pizza. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXjqTyQuq4w"]We're Mutants - Stripes (7/8) Movie CLIP (1981) HD - YouTube[/ame] CD
Damn, reading your first statement made me realize that he is more of a politician than I thought. :frown2:
A couple of thoughts War on women? The left started this 8 years ago to get women to vote for Obama. It seems to be centered on 2 things abortion and free contraception. The equal pay thing isn't valid as there are ready laws that say that has to happen. With a few exceptions I haven't heard any politician say they want abortion gone just limit the time. It is the number killer in some racial communities. I don't think my tax dollars should pay for either. The republicans didn't give us Trump the people did. As already pointed out the Bushs aren't supporting him. He was crammed down the weak republican establishment's throut because a lot of us are tired of the donothings that run things. Time for a shake up. Unstable or unpredictable. In business this is a good trait so the competition doesn't know what your going to do. In government it can be beneficial also so the enemy doesn't know what your going to do. With what's going on now we wouldn't have won WWII. Yes, it's not beneficial for wall street but then they have been doing their own thing for a while now anyway. Hilary as pres and a republican congress make some people think at least things won't change. But they will, she has stated that the court should make laws not interpret them. She must have not paid attention during school house rock. Congress won't stop her for fear of being called names by the media. The country is more divided now than 8 years ago. This was by design. A divided country is not a strong one and is easier to control the people. Create hate between groups and turn them against each other. It's not a new tactic. Trump has two elements he is against illegal aliens and terrorists. Not hispanics, not blacks, not women, not legal immigrants, not muslims. My hat's off to the people on M/A and here on this thread we can have a political discussion with it dropping to name calling and personal attacks and at the end of the day share a beer together.
I too support the Constitution as well as the Declaration of Independence. Probably not as well versed as you but I would have to say no to your question. The difference between the time these two documents were penned and now is just that, time. Obviously things have changed, the country has grown, found success, bottomed out and at times been a voice of reason for other countries to emulate. IMO the real difference is that individuals like those that built this country are missing in our time. I'll rephrase that, they are not the ones serving the people or the interests of the United States. Our fore fathers had a purpose, IMO that purpose has been lost amongst those that lead this country. Yea the phrase "taking care of Americans" is usually in all of their speeches, everyone gets a worm and fuzzy, until those individuals get into office. Why is the United States giving away millions in aid to other countries when it has it's own problems? We as a country need to find our way. The Clintons are no different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy People keep voting them into office:mad2: