Good intentions can lead to bad outcomes, which is kind of what happened with the increase in downforce, which many of the drivers warned against. I hope it doesn't take another serious injury or death for them to be more careful with this. The series is rebounding nicely, the last thing they need is a bunch of high profile drivers complaining (a threat of boycott would be devastating at this point). When open wheel racing starts to resemble NASCAR super speedway restrictor plate racing, you've reached a point that is no longer sustainable without serious consequences.
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Racing is dangerous....unless of course it's RC racing...
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Actually yes I have...lol
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That race was Russian roulette at 210 MPH. Farking farking crazy, I'm so glad no one was hurt. Briscoe is one very lucky fella. I love close racing, but that was ridiculous.
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All true, but save for a few bumps and bruises no one was injured yesterday...and the drama of a few of the drivers complaining has helped Indy Car be in the conversation today... They need exposure too, did anyone notice that 95% of the seats were empty.
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There was a convo going on on FB concerning the paltry attendance. I have never been to Fontana itself, but I went to the Inland Empire a few years ago. In September (this is June). It was 107F (42C). I can't imagine yesterday was muchmore pleasant.
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If the organizers don't start listening seriously, the drivers should walk out until they do. I'm certainly no expert, but these cars are taking to the air far too often and it's time to revisit the design and limit their speed.
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Mark, when that happened it 1964, Indy was HUGE, a much bigger deal than it is today. It survived it then, the margin for error is much smaller now. Group racing is NASCAR, not Indy. They're slightly over the edge, maybe more than slightly over the edge.
Not all the drivers were complaining, but the ones that were just hapoen to be the most respected voices in the garage...
You're right in that boring races will not work in the long run. Neither will races with serious injuries or the possibility of fatalities. Who wants to bring their young kids to that? I don't. I was going to take my daughter to the Milwaukee Mile this year, but I won't be. Until they make some changes, the chances of exposing an 8 year old to something devastating is just too high. I don't look at racing as a blood sport. -
So you dicount AJ Foyt's voice, possibly the best to ever suit up at Indy? It needs tweaking, that is all...
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AJ may have had a different opinion had he just driven 500 miles flat out 4 inches from other cars in a large pack. AJ is a dinosaur who was on top in his day. In his time racing fatalities were commonplace & accepted as the norm. He is living in the past. I am thankful we have come to a point were fatalities are a rarity.
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I've never thought much of Foyt. Still don't.
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Very good, wondered if you would get the connection!!
Well it doesn't really matter what we say anyhow, things will change, that is the one constant in racing.. Someone, or two or three, will always be unhappy with the way it is...look how many hated the more enclosed rear wheels on Indy Cars, it was a direct response to a death, and a darn good move for oval track racing open wheelers, can you imagine the carnage yesterday had the tires still been able to interlock...?
All that aside, me thinks Indy Car is on an upswing if people will just watch a bit, sports car racing too... NASCAR seems to be in the death spiral whilst F1 is well, mired in their own rules wars instead of racing.. -
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Exactly. He's got a piss poor attitude and that rates higher for me than any success he may enjoy.
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I like Bobby Rahal still, but he certainly seems....I dunno....quieter than AJ.
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It's never quite when you work for your dad. Over 9 years the only quite time is when we were fishing. I do miss fishing with him.
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Bourdais win Wisconsin. I was out for most of it due to my (somewhat misguided) Comic-Con curiosity. But the last 20 laps were great, and I assume the rest was good too. Rahal 3rd.
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Great race, yep Seb had one heck of a race. Although Helio came from starting dead last to second. Never thought he'd end up in second place at the end.
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