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Thanks for the responses

I had a good 9+ year run with my R52. It was not only the family's daily driver but also became a hobby, so this is significant change.

This is the first time I’ve ever leased a car. I had done a fair amount of modding to the R52, but now having a 3 year lease puts a damper on motivation to do stuff I might want. For example, electronic and electrical upgrades (as I had done with my R52), but I'm reluctant to take the interior apart.

The 500e is Fiat-Chrysler's "compliance car", where the manufacturer only produces enough to fulfill emissions requirements in specific states (California, Oregon, and more to come later) and don't offer the vehicles elsewhere. Examples of compliance cars are Fiat 500e, Chevy Spark EV, Honda Fit EV, Toyota RAV4 EV. Chevy is expanding Spark EV sales to Maryland.

The orange is an exclusive color for the electric, but the 500e is also available in 6 other colors from the gas models. The way to easily identify a 500e (besides orange ones) is the bumpers. They have diffusor panels (maybe not the right term) that are perforated with small holes. They are also usually white (there is also an optional black version that is less common).

Electric bumpers:




Examples of bumpers for gas models (specific models have different styles):

 

A year later...

Just passed the first year of our 3 year lease. The verdict... I like the car a lot. The size and electric drivetrain are ideal for the traffic, hills, and parking in San Francisco.

It's also a lot of fun to drive. I say this as someone who drove an R52 for 9+ years, and before that a CRX for 10+ years (both stick shift).

 

pro: no engine noise or vibration
con: no engine noise or vibration!

The driving dynamics are very good. Reviewers compare the 500e with the Abarth on level of fun. The electric drivetrain provides instant full torque and smooth linear response without power hesitation or surge. Think about it… those are goals that automakers have been striving to achieve in gas engines for decades. The 500e is 400 lbs heavier than the Abarth because of the batteries. However, the car has low center of gravity that makes it feel stable and planted. The 500e has a 53/47 weight distribution vs the Abarth's 64/36.

Most of our driving is on San Francisco streets in traffic, frequently combined with hills. What matters in this situation is low end torque, and the electric drive is a big advantage over the low torque 1st gen MINI. Wife and I are lifelong stick shift drivers and we also hadn't realized how much of a chore it had been in San Francisco. All of that start-stop driving was taking its toll on the R52 and expensive repairs were piling on.

This car has EV technology from 2013 (first release date). The 500e's weakest point is the range, which is around 70-100 miles depending on conditions. That would rule out this car for many people. Full charge from empty takes about 4 hours on 220V. It's fine for me because we mainly do in-town trips and only need to charge up at home every few days. When I drive to work (I usually take the train), it is 40 miles one way and I use charge stations at my workplace. It is really awesome never going to a gas station.

The 500e is a "compliance car" sold only in California and Oregon to meet state emissions regulations. Fiat/Chrysler pushed out the car as soon as it was "good enough" and it didn't undergo the full development and testing cycle that a 50 state model would receive. I've been fortunate that I've had zero issues with my car, but online some people have reported serious malfunctions in the electronics systems.

Other notes related to the Fiat 500 (not specific to the electric 500e model):

• Seating position is high compared to a MINI.
• The Fiat 500 is an economy series, and it shows in the relatively low quality of materials in the interior. However, they did a great job with design and styling. Where most econo interiors look cheap and ugly, the Fiat's interior is stylish and appealing.
• Nice tight turning radius, very useful on city streets. One of the disappointments when I got my R52 was that the turning radius is large for a car its size. My CRX had an even smaller turn radius than the Fiat.
• The first time I cleaned the windshield… omg, it's HUGE compared to the MINI, even though the Fiat is much smaller.
• (small) size matters in San Francisco. I can now fit into parking spaces that even my R52 would be too large for. It's a big deal when you can dive into a parking spot instead of circling around the streets an extra 10 minutes.

Some people are doing lowering springs, but the only mod I'm contemplating is better tires. There is very little modding going on for the 500e, because almost everybody (including me) is on a 3 year lease. The lease deals are good and the purchase deals are bad. My own lease isn't that great, but occasionally there have been some insane lease deals.