Brakes Wheels 1st Gen Tires JCW R56 Brakes on R53, ebrake, lines questions

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  1. minsane

    minsane New Member

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    Hello Everyone:

    I just purchased the R56 Brembo BBK for my R53. From the research that I have done the fronts are pretty straight forward with just new R56 brake lines that are needed. The rears are a different story.

    I wanted to get the R56 ebrake cables to replace the ones on my R53. My installer says that this is an involved process where the heat shield would have to be dropped and the mounting points being different. How hard or easy is replacing the ebrake cables?

    I also do not want to cut the trailing arm to accomodate the brakes lines in the rear. Some have said to go adead and use the banjo style lines. Has anyone done this? Where would I get these banjo lines.

    Your help on this is greatly appreciated.

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  2. k-huevo

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    For the parking brake cable, drop the exhaust and heat shield, pull the console between the seats; not a big deal. The problem is there is still a clearance issue with the hard line section.

    I don't see how a banjo end on the fluid line would have room either. Not only is there limited head room, but the caliper will need to move inward as the pad wears, parts would need to be ground or cut either way. I haven't tried the banjo, but I have been there for the standard line, and it was too much trouble. It would be easier if the trailing arms were upgraded also.

    My advice is to enjoy the fronts and not worry about the rears. Did you know the pad area is greater on the R53 rears?
     

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  3. ScottinBend

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    I didn't realize you could put the R56 JCW fronts on an R53.......thought it was just the standard R56 fronts that would work.
     
  4. k-huevo

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    With the larger rotor and enough clearance within a wheel, it goes.
     
  5. Professor

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    Like a glove...

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    Wow.....guess I missed this.

    So all that is needed is the JCW R56 calipers and rotor?
     
  7. k-huevo

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    A brake line also.

    This OEM Brembo is not well suited for track use. The pistons are too short, and the insulating pad on the end of the pistons, and dust boots, can't tolerate much heat. If intended for looks over performance it's OK.

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  8. andyroo

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    yuck, that's not pretty. i take it the pads are pretty thin?

    OEM brembos for other cars generally are decent for the track, but still a step behind stoptech and others.

    someday i'll make a caliper bracket for porsche 4 piston brembos, maybe from a boxter. piston sizes and rotor OD are good, no idea what to do about anything else.

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  9. Rally

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    GT TUNING PERFORMANCE Brakes/Suspensions etc :Thumbsup:
     
  10. andyroo

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    yeah, i was thinking something a little less massive :lol:

    * sorry for going OT
     
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    whoa! glad i dont track.
     
  12. minsane

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    Here is a pic of what I had in mind. No cutting involved! I obtained the permission of the person that helped me on another forum to post the pic. I am hoping to find a source for these banjo brake lines here in the US. Does anyone know where I can find these?

    RearCaliper2.jpg

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  13. Nathan

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    Check with Todd at TCE for the brake lines with that fitting.
     
  14. Todd TCE

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    That's the banjo fitting common to the rears of the 2002 car. Later cars did not have them as the hose screwed into the caliper- hence the term "direct thread" on the drop down menu for the others. The banjos on the oe rotor are also a bit odd in that they are M12 thread which is huge!

    Overseas shipping: $18

    MINI - Kits
     
  15. Todd TCE

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    I think I have this solved for minsane. A stock front hose and an altered version of the R56 rear hose. Not a huge deal, they are M10 however so that eliminated the early hoses...going to have two sets of them should anyone else need one.
     
  16. Wellzy

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    I am doing this mod to my 06 mcs the problem I am having is the roter from my 06 is about a 1/2 inch to small on the radius. Does the r56 use a different roter then the r 53? Would should I be getting or what am I doing wrong?
     
  17. minimark

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    #17 minimark, Feb 28, 2013
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    Mark the Brembos have larger rotors than the R53 JCW brake upgrade, which is the exact same size as the stock R56 rotors. You didn't pull the rotors on your old car too?

    You need 316mm x 22mm size.
     
  18. Wellzy

    Wellzy New Member

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    The fronts are done every thing is good there. The problem is in the rear, the rotor seam to small by about 5/8 of an inch on the radius.
     
  19. mrntd

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    Side question. What are the brakes you took off?
     
  20. Crashton

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    Hi Wellzy, so you bought an R53.:Thumbsup: That's great tell us about your new ride. Inquiring minds need to know. :D

    Back on topic....

    JCW R56 brakes on an R53
     

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