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I agree that money alone wont solve the problem. However, reducing funding wont improve it. They system needs to be changed. Obama seems to be for acoutablity for teachers. This has been a pet peeve of mine since my school days. I had some really horrible teachers who shouldn't have been teaching. Our education system suffers from the same kind of lack of incentive that brought down the USSR. It needs to be reformed, but it also needs to be funded.

 

Vote non-incumbants in the primary and only small Government candidates in the main election. Then keep doing that for the next several election cycles and Obama and his band of socialist will be a distant bad memory. We The People will win in the end!

"The spirit of resistance to Government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive."

-Thomas Jefferson

 

Regarding all the stats thrown around in this post I'd like to throw around something I was told, by someone much wiser than I. "There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Stats, as much as we like to use them, can be manipulated to show a number of things from any perspective and they demand context. An illustration, on monday night football any given QB can be made into a great. "He has the best passing percentage of any QB in the league, that has started more than 8 games in the previous season, when coming off a bye week, playing an away divisional game."

I believe we can agree that certain sources are slanted and promote views on issues that their viewers/readers want to consume. Political discussion can be healthy and you can learn a lot when you have a productive dialogue, but I don't believe this post was created to inform or pursue that dialogue.

 

Your analogy escapes me. USSR was brought down by corruption, mismanagement and the failure of an ideology that tried to build a country based on an unproven theory (communism/socialism) by enslaving and controlling its neighbors. Unless you are specifically referring to the teacher unions (and other union) I just don't get it.

 

The fundamental reason the USSR failed was that the system provided very little incentive for an individual to strive to do his or her best. Lack of incentives resulted in poor productivity.

If a teacher's job has no rewards or consequences tied to effectiveness, you have a similar problem. I had numerous teachers who were just going through the motions. They had job security, and no longer cared about teaching. As a result, they were very poor teachers.

 

I'll agree with you on the teacher thing. As for USSR, trying to attribute its failure to a single cause is a futile effort.

 

A fundamental cause isn't exclusive. It is just a basic underlying cause. Spending more than they could afford on defense was one of the causes, but poor productivity was a player in the defense spending cause.

 

Just curious, what is your stance on this subject? What do you feel is right and/or wrong for them to do in regards to regulating businesses? Do you believe that businesses should be self-governed and generally allowed to do as they please?

 

Aren't laws and guidelines already a means of telling a "business what they can and can NOT do "? :confused5:

What do you propose?

 

Wow, the generalizations you make in your post are many. I'm not going to even attempt to address them all, but allow me to get your thought process straight. Those who don't have health insurance are just lazy by default and they fail to get a job because they can suck on the government teet? What about current students who may not financially be able to afford health insurance as they put themselves through school? Or better yet, what happens, prior to this bill, to someone who graduates from school, injures themselves while they don't have insurance between graduation and getting a job and that injury is considered a pre-existing condition moving forward? As far as "driving through the inner city" how do you know the car parked outside is owned by the government assistance recipient in the house or that the satellite or cable are even hooked up. You assume one thing based on what you see coupled with where you are. Its essentially saying "here I am at the country club and there's an M3's and DB9's everywhere, these people must be rolling in it." Those people could easily lease those cars or be way over their heads in debt to keep up appearances.

Regarding your point about authorities not stepping in sooner to cut things off before they got too bad, I agree to a point. If the authorities were informed, should have stepped in and did not, boo on them as well. However, from my general understanding of some of these Wall Street issues, these companies bilked customers under legal practices, loopholes if you will. So by being able to legally circumvent the safeguards designed to protect the populace and the system it seems clear that the rules providing structure to these companies regarding how they deal with certain assets needs to be redone.

BTW, you make it sound as though all immigrants are illegal, which they are not. Also, NAFTA has royally kicked a lot of current immigrants in the teeth in their home country, which may add up to why they are coming here in droves. As far as some people being able to find work, doing work that nobody wants, I chalk that up to businesses not truly being held accountable for hiring labor that they know is not legit.

 

I'm not trying to challenge you with my questions or anything. I was just curious where you stood on the subject and what you'd personally like to see happen for the better of our country.

 

Right On...

Right on, we want it all for nothing, well..... we'll give a tea bag but NO MORE!ut:

 

This immigrant, who has spent about $5k in fees, paperwork, lawyer costs, has gotten work, through the Union I belong to, by creating work from my detailing skills, and doing garden maintenance with a retired friend who needs help with jobs he gets to supplement his SS checks.

We have full blown internet/home entertainment, 2 MINIs (1 of each gen) 2 fridges and a freezer, dishwasher, in house laundry, gas heat/water/cooking, year round climate control, dogs and cats. Nobody has given me a cent I have not earned.

Mark

 

That is a completely warped representation of the health care reform.

You care to back that name calling with some facts? I call B.S.

WTF? ut:

Are you as concerned about the costs and problems with the F-35 fighter jet program? Cost overruns have more than doubled the price to over $113-$135 million per jet. We've ordered 2,443 of thes planes. What's more, it is looking like it wont be a very good plane. They tried to make a one jet fit all functions. As a result it is over-complicated, and mediocre in many of its functions. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Were you as concerned about lies concerning the Iraq war? How about that trillion $$?

Do you even understand the change to the student loan program? All they did was remove the banks as middlemen in a program that loaned government money to students. As a result of removing the banks, tax payers will save $8 billion over ten years. Are you mad because we aren't giving the banks our taxes?

As for business regulation, when businesses violate the public trust, they get regulated. Financial institutions created a lot of new, complicated financial instruments, and scammed investors with them. Regulation didn't keep up with these new instuments, and without regulation, there was massive abuse. So, they are going to get regulated.

Do you work for a financial institution?

 

The national health care debate has raged on since 1912:shocked:, I believe there was plenty of time between now and then to get something worked out. Now seems as good a time as any, it sure isn't going to get any easier or cheaper.