This was also posted in another thread.
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" BB623 " as in Mazda 623??? I wonder if BB's comments are objective??
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Our in car video shows NO movement by Owen. The buffeting of two cars side by side at +125mph is obvious, BUT there was no lateral movement by the Mini.
The simple fact is . . . Owen was in front. It's the Mazda's duty to effect a safe pass. There is no rule against blocking, even though He wasn't.
It was unfortunate for all concerned. Kudos to Andrew and Owen at Watkins Glen. They diced for awhile and BOTH drove a clean race. No retribution by either party. They are both real pros and it showed.
The teams aren't complaining . . . maybe the outsiders should follow their lead. Time to move on . . .
Randy
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First things first...is Andrew Carbonell OK?
To me it does look like Trinkler did move over on him. I wasn't there nor involved so it could be hard to say, but could the top end limit that the series has imposed on the MINI a possible factor in the incident? Possibly was Trinkler was trying to protect his position and waited a heartbeat or two to long to make the move.
If I may bb623, who are you and do you have an connection with Freedom Autosport? Its obvious we are RSR fans here, but it's only fair to know where you come from on this matter. Welcome to the site too, thanks for joining and sharing the commentary and video, it does help to answer some of the questions behind the incident.-
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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
It still looks to be a simple case of two cars getting to close together. Unfortunately they got together in a way that caused an accident. If the cars had been a bit more side by side there would not have been that kind of outcome. But it still appears that the Mazda could have moved over even more to make the pass as he had a full lane+ of room. No need to put the car at risk by getting so close if there is room available.
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Thanks for the report Randy. Very glad to hear Andrew & Owen ore OK. Sorry to hear of your troubles. Also sorry not to be able to watch this race on Speed as it sounds like you put on one heck of a show.
Maybe the sanctioning body will see how dangerous your rev limit really is give you some RPM back.
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Holy Cow! Tire marks on the roof, that is a crazy wreck. Glad to hear everyone in OK, let's hope you got all of your carnage out of the way for the season! Thanks for your updates, they're a great read!
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
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Don't know what race any of you were watching. Carbonell tried to pass Trinkler on his left side and Trinkler blocked him, pushing him into the wall. I saw as they pulled Carbonell out the car and he did not even look alive. His legs looked like jello. So no, Carbonell did not get "caught under the mini's car," Owen was blocking Carbonell when he swerved left and TOOK ANDREW OUT. Owen was bound to do this though and I am not surprised a bit. Carbonell was also hospitalized and later released but believe you me, there are going to be some turned up noses and thin ice by upset fans AND Carbonell's team at Continental this weekend.
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As I stated when you posted the exact same thing in another thread...
Is there video someplace? Speed did not broadcast the race nor is it on the schedule to be broadcast. I did watch Monday's race and there was no mention of any of the other races at Lime Rock that weekend. We may have to wait till the next Speed broadcast of the series to learn more. -
Thank you for posting the video.
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Doesn't look like Owen "swerved" into Carbonell from that video. Also looks like they need to get rid of the rule that makes the MINIs slow at top end too.
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Oh yeah, Owen was definitely swerving to block.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Looks to me like the Mazda tapped him on the left rear and caused him to spin in front of him - I didn't see the front tires on the MINI turn left.....
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
That pic is taken after he's already hit him....
Watch it again, there was no swerve, the MINI didn't move till after he was hit - you can clearly hear and see the hit....also, that video has very little credibility, it's been edited substantially....
Earlier in the vid there's damage visible to the left side of the MINI, probably from an earlier incident between these two?
There's no point in armchair quaterbacking this, the only two people who have a axe to grind are the two drivers, and they need to work it out between themselves. -
Thankfully an article says that Carbonell was released from the hospital and is racing at Continental this weekend. I have no affiliation with Freedom Autosport, not to say I'm not a fan but I firmly believe it was not Carbonell's fault. In no way do I believe it was intentional no matter who caused the accident. However, 2 very talents drivers battling for the lead at 100+ mph obviously makes it much easier for things like this to happen.
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