Engine Drivetrain 1st Gen Cooper S LSD or not?

Discussion in 'Tuning and Performance' started by UKXPAT, Nov 16, 2010.

Tags:
  1. Nitrominis

    Nitrominis Banned

    May 9, 2009
    1,217
    61
    0
    Doing nothing
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Ratings:
    +61 / 0 / -0
    Engineering speaking for the MINI... not really. It all depends on how you drive the vehicle. Fundamentally the locking devises that are available the ones that can actually tailor to the driver/car ability to reduce or increase traction in any predetermined fashion need to be adjusted for the specific needs. There are only three that I know of on the list mentioned in this thread capable of such adjustments? And all would require the removal of the devise to do the adjustments for optimum use.
     
  2. ScottinBend

    ScottinBend Space Cowboy
    Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    8,767
    2,547
    113
    Bend, OR USA
    Ratings:
    +2,678 / 1 / -0
    Torque steer is generated by the unequal length driveshafts, not from an open diff.
     
  3. Crashton

    Crashton Club Coordinator

    Jun 4, 2009
    19,428
    10,034
    113
    Retired old fart
    Hooterville Ohio USA
    Ratings:
    +11,662 / 2 / -0
    Boy if a slip eliminates torque steer mine must be broken. I'm sure it helps, but it is very dependent on road surface & steering angle. So my answer to the question is no a LSD does not eliminate torque steer.
     
  4. Dave.0

    Dave.0 Helix & RMW Powered
    Lifetime Supporter

    May 4, 2009
    25,021
    13,497
    113
    Burbs of Philly, PA
    Ratings:
    +14,644 / 10 / -4

    Ok guys the question was will it reduce torque steer.... NOT Eliminate Torque Steer.

    You guys keep trying to turn every comment into a NAM argument thread. :mad2:
     
  5. ScottinBend

    ScottinBend Space Cowboy
    Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    8,767
    2,547
    113
    Bend, OR USA
    Ratings:
    +2,678 / 1 / -0
    An LSD will not reduce torque steer. Torque steer comes from un-equal length driveshafts.
    An LSD will only come into effect if one of the wheels looses traction, you don't start out with both wheels having power (unless you are using a locker diff). When a wheel looses traction the LSD then will transfer some power to the other wheel.
     
  6. Metalman

    Metalman Well-Known Member
    Lifetime Supporter

    Sep 29, 2009
    12,714
    7,659
    113
    Ex-Owner (Retired) of a custom metal fab company.
    Columbus, Ohio
    Ratings:
    +7,916 / 1 / -0
    I don't intend to hijack this thread....
    But, in the case on the 2nd generation, MINI is apparently using a software up-grade to modify the performance of the e-diff to control torque steer.
     
  7. ScottinBend

    ScottinBend Space Cowboy
    Supporting Member

    May 4, 2009
    8,767
    2,547
    113
    Bend, OR USA
    Ratings:
    +2,678 / 1 / -0
    It does that by applying the brake to a particular wheel. Kinda like the traction control.
     
  8. Metalman

    Metalman Well-Known Member
    Lifetime Supporter

    Sep 29, 2009
    12,714
    7,659
    113
    Ex-Owner (Retired) of a custom metal fab company.
    Columbus, Ohio
    Ratings:
    +7,916 / 1 / -0
    Correct. :D
     
  9. UKXPAT

    UKXPAT New Member

    Nov 12, 2009
    143
    0
    0
    Crystal Lake, IL
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    Anyone know of a decent 'how to' for an LSD install, preferrably with lot's of pictures?
     
  10. k-huevo

    k-huevo Club Coordinator

    May 6, 2009
    683
    159
    0
    Pipe Creek, Texas
    Ratings:
    +159 / 0 / -0
    One with a few photos of both Quaife and OS Giken. [ame=http://www.lonestarminiclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464]Clutch, Flywheel, and Quaife Overview - Lone Star Mini Club Forums[/ame]

    For the R56, with a few more details about securing the differential ring gear. http://www.motoringalliance.com/library/2nd-generation-mini-cooper-how-to-4/r56-clutch--lsd-installation-overview-84/
     
  11. Johngo

    Johngo New Member
    Supporting Member

    May 18, 2010
    1,671
    200
    0
    Art Director
    Sugar Hill, GA
    Ratings:
    +200 / 0 / -0
    Nitro, are you holding a political office? That is a very long "Yes!"

    :D

    Great info in this thread. Thanks for all the input!

    :Thumbsup:
     
  12. M^Cubed

    M^Cubed Member

    May 24, 2009
    315
    12
    18
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0
    Which of our lovely vendors has good prices on the O.S. Giken?
     
  13. k-huevo

    k-huevo Club Coordinator

    May 6, 2009
    683
    159
    0
    Pipe Creek, Texas
    Ratings:
    +159 / 0 / -0
    Werkin Mini sells OS Giken products.

    Unfortunately, due to poor exchange rates, prices increase ~12% on January 1, 2011
     
  14. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

    Jun 24, 2009
    5,146
    1,302
    113
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Ratings:
    +1,302 / 0 / -0
  15. M^Cubed

    M^Cubed Member

    May 24, 2009
    315
    12
    18
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0
    So you want me to buy one tomorrow? :p
     
  16. k-huevo

    k-huevo Club Coordinator

    May 6, 2009
    683
    159
    0
    Pipe Creek, Texas
    Ratings:
    +159 / 0 / -0
    That would be nice.
     
  17. M^Cubed

    M^Cubed Member

    May 24, 2009
    315
    12
    18
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0
    #77 M^Cubed, Dec 29, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2010
    Jinx'd myself! crap
     
  18. GreyLens

    GreyLens New Member
    Lifetime Supporter

    Dec 25, 2009
    259
    71
    0
    Electrical Engineer
    San Antonio, Texas
    Ratings:
    +71 / 0 / -0
    I got my OS Giken through Werkin Mini and they installed it as well. Excellent results. I highly recommend the product and the provider. And the price will continue up for many many months so waiting will only cost more.
     
  19. minimark

    minimark Well-Known Member

    Jun 24, 2009
    5,146
    1,302
    113
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Ratings:
    +1,302 / 0 / -0
    OS Giken rocks!!!!

    Revolution Mini Works is also an authorized dealer for their products..
     
  20. 00zero

    00zero New Member

    Oct 2, 2009
    92
    2
    0
    Engineer
    Pittsburgh. Pa
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0
    i know this is off topic.

    Is there any difference between the OS Giken and a Torsen unit other than tune-ability of the Giken and the torsen being an open diff when a wheel lifts?

    will there be any difference on a daily driver other than on a sheet of ice perhaps?

    -jonathan
     

Share This Page