Well then 2008 then too....The vert did go on for 2 years as a 1st generation.
I think we all tend to put that in the back of our minds being the best seller, the hardtop, is the one we tend to think about.
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
When the second gen came out MINI lost its soul. -
Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
If "ifs and buts" were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas!
Silly discussion, MINI gonna do what MINI gonna do. -
Did someone say it is time for a cartoon?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy5f87-kI8c]Bugs Bunny Opera - YouTube[/ame] -
Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
Seems to me it's go with the market or go out of business.....
I agree with the sentiments that I'd like to see them offer a simpler, lighter, car, but I don't think they could do so and make any money on it......so why do it? (Their perspective)
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So MINI sold 66k vehicles in 2013 in the US, roughly 30k of those were Countryman, Paceman, and Clubbies. Do you think that those people would have still bought a MINI if those models were not offered?
I'm not saying that the R53 wasn't a good platform, just that I don't think that it would still sell in the numbers needed for BMW to keep it in the US market. I do think MINI would survive in Europe because of the fact that they have more versions of the hatchback that appeal to a wider spectrum of potential buyers.
Like I said before it is great that there are enthusiast. There are definitely a lot of great looking first gen Justa, S, and JCWs out there. At the same time, there are very few manufacturers that have not sold out to some extent. I left MINI because they no longer offered a vehicle that fit my needs at what I felt was a reasonable price.
IMO, MINI/BMW have achieved what they set out to do. Re-create a following for a retro version of a cult car that attracts people from many different lifestyles and backgrounds. -
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Odd ergonomics are part of the experience. After a while you get used to them & don't even notice their oddness. When MINI changed the window switch locations on the countrytruck I figured we were in for more changes that I wouldn't care for. Now they are here in the form of the F'n56. :frown2:
Even if I had a GTI I'd still cruise this forum. The VW ones that I have been to are not as fun as this little part of the web. There seems to be no love in VW forum land.
Maybe we should start a VW thread.
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You're starting with the premise that the R53 is such a desirable car (to the general public) that MINI can just keep cranking out the same car year after year and it will sell just fine. I think that's silly. -
I find the rest of the site to be very informative, but a little less personable. Then again, I'm still new and haven't had the opportunity to go to any VW specific events and meet people in person.
New GTI is a good comparison to the F56 conversation. I personally do not like the looks of it, but the performance improvements are interesting. I think the next R is going to be great and think Doug will be happy if he gets one. -
My point is, is the R53 sustainable (sales and profit) to keep in production year after year? I believe not, but we're arguing about hypotheticals.
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I disagree, but again we are all guessing at what the market will bear.
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Minidave Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
"The technology has no soul?"
What exactly does that mean?
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
LMFAO ^^^^
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Onramp Enjoy the Hiways of Life!Supporting Member
Yeah - what Dave.O said. R53 forever.
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