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It's hard to see but when I exited the carousel, I wasn't all the way to the left--I wasn't carrying as much speed as usual, as I had to ease up in the carousel. Usually I track out to where that black patch is, and just brush the curbing, but I wasn't carrying enough speed. The apex is toward the end of the colored rumble strips, and I hit that full throttle, but he eased up here--this isn't a place where anyone eases up--he acclerates just a little, then he eases up again as we get to the cart path. So I tucked into the right, just inside the black patch; despite going about 10mph slower than I usually go through the carousel, I felt I was closing too quickly, and didn't want to be directly behind him--not sure what he was going to do after the carousel (another spot where people usually are throttle steering rather than lifting). I went through the carousel so much slower than usual, so it wasn't a big deal pinching the track out, and got back on the throttle, thinking we're back to normal, hoping to get back to the left coming into a no passing area to set the kink, but he eases up again--now I'm in no mans land--too late to brake, and off line so not a great place to acclerate.

This is a no pass area, I was trying to set things up for a pass after the kink. Normally you go through that area and worry about any passing afterwards--I've never had anyone slow down like that before, before the most dangerous part of the track--he obviously knew I was behind him, and was trying to be courteous, but I thought we were on the same page, and as much as he lifted, I had no choice but to pass in a spot I'd never consider passing. I never got up on his bumper, I wasn't in any hurry to get around him; I'd eased up earlier, waiting for a safe spot to pass, so I just didn't anticipate that happening in that spot. I really don't like to get people squirrelly--lesson learned, next time I'll back off and and take that whole segment slower rather than anticipate the people in front of me taking it as they would normally.

 

The GTI driver was actually a pretty cool guy--he always let me by with no problems. I guess he just didn't want it documented.

The guy in the kink that I passed illegally was cool too, but I have no problem waiting to pass, and I try not to ride peoples bumpers--he was just trying to be courteous, but when he braked and lifted to a slow speed just before the kink I saw my life flash... (It was kind of like one of those situations when you're at a stop light--light goes green--the person in front hits the gas pedal, you do the same, then they suddenly hit the brake). But like I said, lesson learned, if I had it to do over, I'd just give up that entire segment of the track from the beginning of the carousel to the end of the kink, and stay farther back than I did (although I thought I had backed off enough. Guess not).

One other thing--I had passed him a few times before, including after the kink--I'd followed him through the carousel before, and it was all good. The only difference this time was the amount of traffic coming up from behind.

 

I really like MVP, but it's a more aggressive group. I won't run advanced there because the cars in advanced are just plain stupid fast. MVP's intermediate group usually is pretty good--still some very fast cars, but not as many pure race cars (although there were a few at RA--a race prepped M3, that viper, some modded vettes, a few lotuses, and even a Caterham. The Caterham was slow though, I passed him several times. Seems to always be a fair number of lotuses with MVP

It's a different group from say a BMWCCA--it's a little more aggressive. In the intermediate group, most people are very cool, drive well, and are courteous--if Mark has a problem with someone, he won't hesitate to permanently ban them. So in the intermediate and advanced, it's a pretty experienced group (many of the intermediates would be in advanced at a BMWCCA, but HP is part of the criteria, and they don't put slower cars in the advanced group, which is just fine by me. One of the RSR cars was in advanced, and someone had a MINI challenge car there too, very cool, and they definitely held their own). I ran with MVP a few years ago when I was just starting, and ran in the beginners group. That group is one to avoid; many first timers on the track, and instructors are optional.

Only thing I hate is the 45 minute drivers meeting at the beginning of the day. Too long!
But once you get passed that, the group is well organized, runs efficiently, and I've always had a good time with them. I'll run with them once or twice again next year, depending on scheduling.

I don't know where you live, but one other group I'd put a huge plug in for is the North Woods Shelby Club--their events are relatively cheap, relatively small numbers of cars, (as opposed to MVP, which is about the size of your average BMWCCA event, maybe even larger) very well organized, and a GREAT group of people. I was the only MINI out there with them at Blackhawk, held my own and had a great time, and was treated fantastically by that group--a few people asked for rides, which was very cool--wasn't expecting a group predominantly made up of Mustang drivers to want to get into my car. Probably my favorite group overall, or at least tied with the BMWCCA.

 

That pretty much sums up my experience with MVP. If you don't need an instructor and you know the track, it's a great group to run with. I'm familar with Road America and Blackhawk, so I run there with them. I don't know if I'd run with them on a track I wasn't familiar with; I'd probably go with a group that offers dedicated instruction, then when I was comfortable, run with MVP on that track.

MVP runs 20-25 minute sessions at Road America (mostly 20's with a couple of 25's at the end of the day); I've run 30 minutes with other groups, and I think for me 25 minutes is just about right, for both me and the car. After 25 minutes, the brakes (and my driving) starts to get a little squirrely.