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  1. MCS02

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    No it doesn't. also it should come on with the AC on. The reason I asked is that its been winter so you won't notice the fan is not working until it gets hot. Sitting at a red light and your temp going up is a sign of a bad fan or thermostat.
    On my sons BMW his fan worked half the time. It drove me up the wall trying to find the problem. I spun the fan by hand and it was very notchy thats how I found the problem.
    I'm not saying its not the water pump just giving you some options.
    I had my SC off a few months ago to change the oil. I did the belt, tensioner, idler pulley and crank pulley at the same time. It was not all that fun.
     
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    Did you open BOTH bleed screws?
    Frankly the second, near the thermostat is a pain to reach....sometimes it takes even a mini trained tech more than one try to bleed it right.
     
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    In my experience the upper hose fills up with pressure (rather than a dribble) after the thermostat opens....so bleeding must truly be done with the thermostat open....
     
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    I've never done the cam on a MINI, so I can't help there. I would caution you though if you have a 15% pulley and go with a 2% crank pulley you will have the equivalent of a 17% pulley. That's fine I have a 17% pulley. I would not go more then that. Even at 17% you are near where you will need bigger injectors. It will run a little lean at the top end with out them, but it would help to have larger injectors. Also anything more than 17% and you get into high exit temps on the SC. So then your talking better Intercooler or meth(ask Dave.0 about meth, he is at the Dragon I know because he won't shut up about it:) )With a cam you may really benefit from bigger injectors. I would ask Chad at Detroit tuned or the guys at Helix.
    Lastly if you don't have one get a Bentley manual. Most of us will be at the Dragon this week so it will be slow around here, I leave Thursday.
    Good luck.
     
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    I just replaced the head on my R53 with a JCW unit, so have done the swap out you are discussing except for the cam which I kept original...I have swapped cams in other engines I can can speak to that operation...
    You should purchase the head holding/Cam sprocket holding tool set that is available via several suppliers...it make the job MUCH easier and a sure thing. It will be very difficult to get the cam set up correctly without it and VERY EASY with the tool set. Don't cheap out on this stage, you'll regret not having it and be glad if you do have it.
    Absolutely replace the cam bolt...the original is a stretch to yield item. You did not say, are you planning on swapping the cam with the head on the engine or are you removing it?...if you do, remember you'll need new head bolts, or do what many of us have done and swap out to head studs...better torque characteristics.
    You can get all the gaskets and other items you may need from Way at Way Motor Works....I've always been satisfied with the items I have obtained from him. Other vendors also have most of what you are looking for.
    Lastly, don't even think about attempting this job without a Bentley manual...just asking for trouble without the guidance it provides. I personally use both the Bentley and the Haynes manual...the Bentley is certainly the better of the two, but for my money I find having both sometimes assists with my understanding of a particular operation.
    Probably others here on the forum that can provide deeper perspective, but as MCS02 said, we'll all be away at MOTD this week so it may be a while before you get many additional comments.
     
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    Other thing to check is the intercooler boots--I had this happen secondary to a torn boot, and it was on the bottom side so I couldn't see it until I took it apart.

    If they changed out your SC, and tightened the ribs that keep the boots in place too hard, eventually they'll saw through the boots.
     
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    Also forgot to add that my oil level was great right under 5 quarts by a hair with no coolant contamination at all. Did have coolant in there before but that was before I swapped my cracked heater core. And since have no longer had coolant in my oil. The car also starts and runs fine. Sounds the same. For the last 3 months or so I have had a slight soft tap in the motor which I couldn't isolate. It's almost like a lifter tap but honestly not nearly as loud as I've heard before. You actually have to stand by either of the car doors to hear it. You can't hear it from in front of or above/below the motor. Might be my dsc. But that probably isn't my water pump so it's another issue unrelated but just in case I wanted to include the detail. Also the only thing I half butted on was the dang thermostat went with an eBay one. I can get the part brand for you if necessary but I believe it was an oriellys brand. I do have a spare same brand as the one I got from eBay thermostat which is a 165 I was planning to use for summer since I race. But read that it is just too low for our cars to run right.
     
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    And the upper radiator hose would never fill up until the motor warmed up which pelican parts claims it should fill up that hose as you add coolant.
     
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    Drove it around town and she was fine. I am going to pull the sc and do the water pump for fun. I did finally find the second bleed screw. I popped it and water came out so I topped up and took her for a spin. She regulated from 193 to 197 while moving and up to 203 at a short window of idle at a light. So I picked up royal purple water wetter. Going to pour 2 oz in and get me through the week til next weekend when I have all my parts and can pull the sc. Figured it's probably time for a sc oil change and a new water pump while I'm at it. The spare thermostat I have is 180F and made by motorad. Same brand as my 195. I will also install the bmw T fitting since the one I put in is just an oriellys fitting.
     
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    I am at 264k miles. Previous own said they had put a rebuilt sc on so mine now has about 80k.
     
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    Is your radiator fan working? it doesn't sound like it is. it sounds more like the fan than the water pump.
     
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    Well the fan comes on at 221 F degrees which after some research is right. I don't think the fan plays a roll in controlling temps until then.
     
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    Thanks for the reply mcs02. I did just install a gates belt tensioner. I thought the idler pulley was built into the tensioner? Idk but I replaced that whole unit. A new belt would be a good idea. I will do the crank pulley after I do the sc work because I wanna go to a 2% od. So you all know that excuse we give ourselves to let us buy car parts? Well I jumped the gun and bought an ns1 cam. I figured a good way to punish my mini for acting up was to give her more power haha. I want to try to do it by locking the motor up with the brake and gear and not have to use a cam gear lock tool. All I ordered was the cam. Do I need anything else? Should I replace like the cam sensor o ring or something like that? How about the cam bolt, is it reusable? Also I just ordered a new water pump oem and 2 o rings. Already have supercharger oil. Does anyone know where I can get the other gaskets I'll need for it?
     
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    LMAO
     
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    I have the cam lock timing tool so I can lock the gear in place and only remove the rocker arms and rails then cam journals. It's pretty straight forward job I looked under my valve cover before. Any recommendations on assembly lube? I want to be able to get it from o'reilly's.