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  1. DneprDave

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    #6 DneprDave, Apr 13, 2015
    Here is a chart I found here: Top performance car power-to-weight ratios under $100k, $50k and $25k

    Under $25,000 – pounds per horsepower
    2014 Ford Mustang V6 ($22,510) – 11.479
    2014 Chevrolet Camaro V6 ($23,555) – 11.514
    2014 Ford Focus ST ($23,625) – 12.790
    2014 Ford Fiesta ST ($21,400) – 13.807
    2014 Hyundai Veloster Turbo R-Spec ($21,300) – 13.930
    2015 Volkswagen Golf GTI 4-Door ($24,995) – 14.152
    2014 Mini Cooper S Hardtop ($24,100) – 14.603
    2014 Honda Civic Si ($22,790) – 14.644
    2014 Mazda MX-5 Miata ($23,790) – 14.850
    2015 Volkswagen Jetta GLI ($24,535) – 14.910
     
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    #7 Firebro17, Apr 13, 2015
    Interesting to note the chart shows only two other cars of choice more expensive than the MINI... Looks like they could stand to lighten the load some too!
     
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    #9 Green Flash, Apr 13, 2015
    A Recalculation

    As ccti points out, the listing of weight/hp ratios are on cars with lesser hp than the new upcoming models, even the MINI which lists an S rather than a JCW. And, I hope his belief that a new, more powerful GP is close on the horizon proves true.

    Doing a bit of calculation to determine weights, and checking most in some sources on the internet - then assuming that the weight of the R class cars will be the same - some of the ratios using the announced horse power numbers are impressive.

    Honda Civic R 9.81
    Ford Focus RS 10.07
    VW Golf R 10.66
    MINI JCW 11.94

    In the first generation GP, MINI found ways to reduce weight. If the 2759 lb MINI hardtop could be reduced by 159 pounds, a 10.0 pounds/hp could be achieved at 260 hp. A reasonable task.

    Awaiting the GP announcement.
     
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    #14 Dave.0, Apr 14, 2015
    Clown shoe sighting! ^^^^
     
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    #17 Dave.0, Apr 14, 2015
    Eric has a pair of clown shoes, the other one is Silver.
     
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    #20 Eric@Helix, Apr 15, 2015
    I've heard of them. Love the name!:Thumbsup:
     
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    #21 BlimeyCabrio, Apr 15, 2015
    Now that this has become the clownshoe thread, back to the original topic.

    I think "area under torque curve" / weight (or something similar) would be a more accurate comparator of real performance.

    Peak HP doesn't mean all that much. Area under torque curve really drives the size of your GPness.
     
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    #23 Green Flash, Apr 17, 2015
    Back on topic

    Thanks to Blimey for noting that this wasn't a Clown Shoe discussion (although I enjoyed seeing the photos of nicely modded BMW coupes).

    My intention was not just to begin a discussion of horsepower, but a discussion of car manufacturers moves to create a Halo Effect* by producing, marketing, and selling a car with performance that is at the top of the class. M/A members would rather own an R53 or a Clown Shoe than the new generation of MINIs, but the current cars produced effect brand image of all MINIs.

    While Ford will sell only a few Focus RSs, the image of all Focuses will be changed by this car. New Focus buyers will feel that they are getting something much better than an ecnobox. Auto enthusiasts will view the Ford Focus in a more positive manner.

    If MINI holds the bottom position of performance in the hot hatchback category, MINI will not be viewed by most of the public as a performance car. While we enjoy and extol the handling capabilities of our cars, lateral G's and slalom times don't generate as much press and power figures.


    *Halo Effect - The halo effect is a cognitive bias in which an observer's overall impression of a person, company, brand, or product influences the observer's feelings and thoughts about that entity's character or properties. Wikipedia
     
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