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Why Ferrari engineers don't like turbos.
"We don't like the turbo," said the man with the Italian accent. Before I could stand up and cheer, he continued, "but it's the right way to reduce emissions without sacrificing performance."
Oh. A rare moment of honesty, then a graceful slingshot into the same turbo spin we've heard from all corners of the globe. But this was the first time I'd heard a senior executive from a major carmaker admit that turbos are less than perfect.
REDUCING EMISSIONS
By all rights, Ferrari shouldn't give a flaming tailpipe about mpg. But governments are cracking down on CO2 emissions, and the only way to emit less carbon dioxide is to burn less fuel. So even Maranello is looking to the turbo to reduce fuel consumption.
The thing is, while turbo engines perform well on standardized government fuel-economy tests, out in the real world, we consistently see those boosted engines using more fuel than larger, similarly powerful, naturally aspirated ones. There's science behind our observations. The stoichiometric ratio of air and gasoline is such that it takes 14.7 grams of air to completely combust one gram of gasoline. It's the job of your car's fuel-injection system to measure the amount of air the engine inhales and then provide precisely the correct amount of fuel.
Turbos, which are powered by exhaust energy that is otherwise wasted, increase engine output by forcing extra air into the cylinders, prompting the fuel injectors to provide more fuel for combustion. More combustion, alas, means more heat. To keep the engine (and turbo) from overheating, turbo engines inject excess gas under boost. It seems counterintuitive, but this "rich mixture" cools down combustion and reduces exhaust temperatures. It's also a double-whammy fuel-economy killer, because burning that extra fuel doesn't help the engine make more power, it actually reduces output.
Government fuel-economy test cycles, especially those in Europe, approximate the driving style of a heavily sedated 83-year-old librarian. Since the engine is rarely taxed, the turbo doesn't spool up, so no extra fuel is used. But purposely driving slowly enough to keep the turbo from generating boost defeats the point of having a turbocharger in the first place. Sadly, out in the real world, riding that big, effortless wave of boosted midrange torque means burning extra fuel—and creating even more CO2. So much for reducing emissions.
NO REDUCTION IN PERFORMANCE
Performance, in this sense, refers solely to acceleration. The Ferrari California T's turbocharged 3.9-liter, 553-hp V8 easily outmuscles the old California's naturally aspirated 4.3-liter, 483-hp V8. Mission accomplished. Except there's more to an engine's behavior than going fast in a straight line. The way an engine generates power—its personality, if you will—is just as important as the number of Mister Eds it replaces. For the entire history of the marque, Ferrari's engines have delivered urgency and drama in lockstep with revs, creating a festival of sound and fury as they raced toward a stratospheric redline. Ferrari engines love to rev, which is one of the main reasons we love Ferraris.
Once there's a turbo impeller muffling the screaming glory of that prancing horse, you're talking about an entirely different animal. Engines with turbos big enough to provide boost throughout their operating range produce peak torque at low revs and then gradually run out of steam, like turbodiesels do. To combat that, gas-powertrain engineers artificially create broad torque plateaus by limiting boost at lower engine speeds. That electronic trickery helps the engine more closely emulate a naturally aspirated one, but even that isn't enough for Ferrari. The California T's computer also looks at gear position and limits max boost in lower gears to encourage its driver to revel in the revs.
Even so, clever programming can't fix the problem that has afflicted turbochargers since the technology was invented: lag. Ferrari claims the California's new turbo engine has "zero turbo lag" and "instantaneous response," then defines response time as "less than one second." Really? In a car that can hit 60 mph in three seconds, one second is anything but instantaneous.
Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any driver's car. Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to throttle inputs, but a turbo engine is vastly more complicated. It has two torque curves—one when it's off-boost and one when the turbo is at full puff. The transition between the first curve and the second is what we call lag—and both how long it takes and how abruptly it occurs change continually.
Despite the claims of marketers everywhere, lag can't be eliminated. The holy grail for engineers of turbo engines—from the 1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire to today's boosted cars—has been to manage the lag so that it's unobtrusive in normal driving. Some engines do this better than others. But when we're talking about Ferraris, who cares about normal driving? When you're approaching the handling limit of a well-balanced car, you need precise control of engine output. You may need a quick jolt of torque to induce oversteer or to gradually increase power to keep the car at its limit in a corner. These adjustments need to happen the instant you request them and in direct correlation to pedal input.
A naturally aspirated engine's output is determined by the position of the pedal and the engine speed, period. Turbos change that into a complicated matrix with far too many variables for a driver to keep track of. At best, turbo lag is a handicap. At worst, it turns neutral, throttle-adjustable cars into insolent, uncontrollable, four-wheeled bastards.
Over the past 20 years, Ferraris have morphed from oil-spewing headaches into some of the best driver's cars money can buy. Drive a 458 Speciale or an F12 in anger, and by comparison almost every other car will feel removed, recalcitrant. Modern Ferraris do what you ask, when you ask, how you ask. They are pretty much perfect. Although their forthcoming turbocharged replacements will almost certainly be faster, I fear they will be undrivable without assistance from an onboard supercomputer.
To what end? There won't be any environmental benefits, because Ferrari's contribution to worldwide automotive CO2 emissions is already effectively zero. (Toyota sells about as many daily-driver Priuses in a week as Ferrari sells special-occasion sports cars in a year.) It's sad that the marque feels compelled by government policy to bolt turbos on to their lovely engines, when it won't make a whit of difference to air quality.
And it's doubly sad that we all know it will change the way Ferraris drive.
So while I was genuinely ready to cheer Ferrari for that momentary showing of honesty, I'm still waiting to hear some auto-company executive unabashedly tell the whole truth: "We don't like turbos," the speech will begin, "and so we're not going to use them."
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
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Should move their plants to the USA - Donald!!!!!! Get on it!
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
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Who cares! Nobody wants that big ugly thing they're building anywayz
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Metalman Well-Known MemberLifetime Supporter
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Well.... If you really drill down into the worker's reasoning for the upcoming strike....
It's because they really miss working on and making the lovely R56 JCW...
Some of them are experiencing the long term mental anguish of being in close vicinity with the new models....
Sadly... It's negatively affecting the assembly workers..... And they aren't going to take it anymore....
Rumor has it that there is a hidden 3rd shift skunk works that still are producing the R56 JCW in Dark Silver with black top (but only with manual transmissions)and sneaking them onto the delivery boats... But you need to know someone.... -
Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
Fixed that typo for you. :devil:
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
Everyone likes the sound of a Supercharger over a silly little turbo. Vroon pop hisss.
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Crashton Club Coordinator
I'm not saying the R53 song at full chat isn't great because it is, but it comes in second place to a Porsche flat six singing its song. :arf:
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
Yeah a R53 is no match for the sound of a flat 6 Porsche or any Porsche for that matter.
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DneprDave Well-Known MemberSupporting Member
There's nothing as cool as the sound of a V-12 at full revs.
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If we're headed off topic, I'd like to vote the V10 in the Porsche Carrera GT as being the greatest song of all.
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
Sorry but almost all motor sound awards go to Ferrari. (Old and New ones)
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Crashton Club Coordinator
Don't leave out the SAAB 2 stroke. Ring ding ding ding - Ring ding ding ding..... Plus a load of 2 stroke smoke following close behind. :smilewinkgrin:
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Dave.0 Helix & RMW PoweredLifetime Supporter
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The Ferrari 375 Plus was among the quickest and most powerful racing cars of its time, notching up victories at Le Mans and Silverstone in 1954.Attached Files:
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