1st Gen R53 Cooper S Morning Hard Starts & Now, 1-3k RPM Hesitation/Yoyo/Hiccup

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  1. minsanity

    minsanity Well-Known Member

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    Anyone tried the Walbro uprated pump kit that churns out higher pressure & discharge rate of 255lph? Any good? It's supposed to just fit into the VDO pump we have. It's half the cost of a new pump too. Just haven't seen an R53 how-to on this. Thanks!
     
  2. minsanity

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    #42 minsanity, Nov 14, 2012
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    UPDATE

    Hey guys, my Walbro kit arrived today. Figured to finally have some light at the end of this very long tunnel.:wink:
    Got everything ready for pump extraction & Walbro swapping. After getting the pump assembly out? Lo & behold! A TORN FLEXI TUBE on the outlet of pump. Uh oh, no replacement for this part w/ the kit. Scavenged my pile of junk in the garage & found an a yard long Gates fuel line, test fitted, & voila, just the right amount of tight + clamps.
    Put the assembly right back into the fuel tank w/o swapping the Walbro yet. Cranked & it STAAAAAAARTED right up. I'm sure my fuel pressure now is way above 22psi.:Thumbsup: Idle was smooth, stepped on the pedal to look for my YOYO. Gladly, I couldn't find it. WOW, this one's for the X-Files. Anyone out there ever had their in-tank flexi tube turn brittle & break? Tank of gas was generally clean after 10 long years. Pump float arm a bit corroded but still works!
    Since I had the adrenaline & momentum going, finished up my long overdue 1st stage fan resistor delete & jumped it w/ a long 12ga looped wire ziptied to the fan harness. Hid it on that bumper cavity under the LH headlamp. Tested the start/shut trigger temps. They were right on spec. Switched the A/C on, !st stage on HI came.
    I just had no PS fan coming on at 1st stage since I have an 02 that wasn't rewired. Awhile back, I got tired of a randomly recurring sticking relay that kept my 2nd stage on when engine off. Had to line a relayed toggle kill switch for this & it worked perfectly.
    For the PS fan, jumped a line to the + wire on that lil fan from my 2nd stage relay kill switch. Now, I can turn the fan on anytime before I'd get the 2nd stage w/c I now doubt will ever be called.
    Why the doubt? Coz the resistor delete got me HI when Low is called. Engine is like 3.5F cooler, A/C cooler. The only downside to this mod is if your allergic to the loud fan noise.
    Exhaled a huge sigh after all these today. I lost a yoyo, got a new Walbro spare pump I hopefully won't have any use for but gained a ton of new knowledge AND, found my old toy back.:Thumbsup: Can't curse nor complain.just THANKFUL!!!!What an adventure!
    Thanks all for checkin' in. You guys have been my only refuge thru all this! M/A rocks!:Thumbsup:
     

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  3. ScottinBend

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    Wow........definitely an Xfiles episode for sure.

    My first guess on the corrosion issue would be to blame the ethanol fuel mix. Ethanol will absorb water and this may have caused the corrosion.....?
     
  4. minsanity

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    Very possible cause for float arm corrosion as ethanol is hygroscopic. Well, it has been a decade old. I'm now strictly on vPower nitro+. Took it for a spin now. Just wow! Awesome response. I've forgotten how good it was. Just so relieved this episode finally concluded.
     
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    Update

    Knowing the Gates fuel line that replaced the torn OEM pump tube was just an SAE 30r7, I didn't want to wait too long to replace it w/ hopefully a lifetime fix. Devised a metal tube coupled w/ SAE 30r10 end tubes to replace the 2 day old fix. True enough, lucky to have dug in the tank again. The 2day old tube submerged in petrol showed rapid deterioration. Pic would show bloating, permeation & it's now a soft tube. Imagine if that had stayed a few days longer.
    Hope this will guide those who might have same problem.
     
  6. RallyMini370

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    Good reading your problems are exactly like mine so I hope when I replace the pump I'll find a cracked flex pipe.
     
  7. AliceCooper

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    Injector rebuild considered ? They have little filters inside that can get dirty and clogged past the point where 93 octane and injector cleaner will help. I used Mr. Injector he totally rebuilds and does a before and after flow test that is printed and sent with your rebuilt injectors. Its cheap and my injectors were like brand new. Mr Injector - Home
     
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    Process would've been much shorter had I dared dig into the pump w/o waiting for the Walbro kit from the UK. Odd for something US-made to have a kit bundled elsewhere.
    No regrets though as the parts I've replaced were all for regular & preventive maintenance anyway.
    Good luck w/ you hunt. Hope it'll be just as simple as the hose.
     
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    My pipe was fine.....I swapped the fuel pump, injectors and plugs. I get 55PSI with the vacuum plugged and 49PSI unplugged. The engine pulls strong and I'm not getting the hot cat smell......but once again the engine starting from cold on 2 cylinders , then 3 and finally 4. I checked the plugs when it was on 2 cylinders finding 2 plugs wet. Before swapping everything the plugs were dry so at least I'm moving in the right direction. hahaha The coil pack is new too! only thing I did not change is the wire which look like some autozone jobs.
     
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    Chances are I may be the only one to encounter a torn pump hose in the entire 1st gen population!
     
  11. Lostinky

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    cracked line?

    I've been chasing this issue for a couple years and the cracked line has been suspect, just haven't torn back into it yet. This is the first thread I've found that spells it out. After doing the pump/filter replace, injector clean/regulator replace, plugs, wires, coil replaced, I too noticed no pressure in the rail after shutdown, causing the long crank starts. Not sure where the anti backflow valve is, either filter or pump? Likely in the pump if your cracked line caused the issue. I thought it was in the regulator at the rail but I was able to flow fuel backwards through it on the bench when testing a new one. No fuel puddling anywhere so the issue MUST be in the internal tank lines. I've just clicked 313,000 miles on my '05 R53 and solving this issue will keep me smiling to 1/2 million. Thanks for the insight, will hopefully dig in later today.
     
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    313k mi!!!! WOW! GRATS! Pressure regulator/anti-backflow should be on the pump side, I believe. The one on the rail serves more like a pulse regulator controlling rail pressure at the same time retaining some for start ups. If search points you to more questions than an answer, check the pump itself. Hope it gets sorted.
     
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    Strange thing is after I swapped the pump, injectors and plugs the engine failed to start once now runs fine.
     
  14. minsanity

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    That should be expected as you've emptied the rails.
    A friend called late last week seeking answers on exactly same symptoms as I had. His is an early 03R53. Told him my journey. He cut diagnostic corners & went straight digging into the in-tank pump hose. Oddly, same exact problem...A BRITTLED LEAKY HOSE. A swap cured the start & hesitation/misfire problems.
    For those looking into this,though that hose comes w/ the VDO pump assembly, it can be swapped separately. Just make sure it's rated to be submersible. Gates 30R10 or equivalent should be good.
    Guess our cars are starting to see new problems w/ age. That might only be the 2nd documented case. Hope ours will turn out to be random rather than some new found fault.
     
  15. ZippyNH

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    Part of me wonders if the brittle hose might have been from e-10 fuel...
    For years, mini/BMW said NOT to use it....but in 2005 it become common as MTBE was phased out....then later, the law of the land in most us locations due to blending requirements.....it is certainly something to keep in mind!!
     
  16. RallyMini370

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    after the swap the engine fired up perfect but failed the day after then has not given trouble since. I think my problem was the crappy fuel had gone off over the 9 months in the topic heat. I say that because the fuel pump, inlets and injectors were covered in a sticky goo
     
  17. minsanity

    minsanity Well-Known Member

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    We're on the same page, Zip. e10 has caused nothing but trouble.
     

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