Engine Drivetrain 1st Gen Cooper S Myne tune...what's your experience?

Who's truth.........someones third hand account or someones actual hands on experience.

 

Its simple, because you are paying $700 for something that is advertised as a full access when its not even close to it. I have some some screen shots showing how its not even close.


This is F/A


This is my EVO screen shot with a stock ECU using ECUFlash. Same program. This is full access.


This is a 2003 WRX on the same program. Full access once again.


This is a 2005 STi, again full access.


This is what the ViPEC looks like. Not cheap, but best thing out there if you don't want your stock ECU tuned.



Thats just to show you that for $700 you really are getting ripped off. Those maps reference other maps that you can't change, or even see. Then you have names on the maps that don't exactly tell you what they do...So you make one change in that map, it goes to the other map and references it and now your changes aren't like you thought they were going to be....So really you don't even have full control of what is going on in the ECU.

 

Why the black line through the first and not the others?

 

Has the person's name in it, was to lazy to go change it and retake the screen shot so I just blacked it out. The blacking on the ViPEC map is fuel settings that I worked on getting right for a basemap for people with 550's thats why its blacked out.

 

Thanks.

 

Why is that?

There is some good info in here, with first hand experience with the program...With screen shots to show people why its really not worth the money and were all the controversy comes from.

 

Well for one thing my screen doesn't look like the one you displayed. Mine fills up the whole left hand column just as the others you show. I use the software, it works for me and that's really all I care about. You guys give them more advertising then they give themselves, that's pretty funny. People will use what works for them and if it works, like I said that's all that really matters.

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

Thats because you have all your stuff expanded. Every screen shot that I took, MINI, EVO, STi, WRX all had everything collapsed. So yes if I expanded it, it would fill the left side up, if I expanded everything in the other roms it would give you a lot to scroll, A LOT more then you would have in the F/A stuff....

It works for you that's fine. You still over paid. Can you turn off CEL's with it? How about making it run in OL when you want, like at idle for bigger cams? How about if you want to run a new MAP sensor can you edit any of the tables to run it? Can you change dwell times? Able to change knock table's for lets say a loud motor, or a knock sensor that has been moved to a sprintrex? Like I said you over paid. Im glad you like it and it works for you. You once again still over paid for something that is more like 1/10th access.

 

Well I have no idea as I don't need to do any of those things. CEL's I have a scanner before I even bought this. If I paid too much what do you care? Really, why do you and the others even care what other people do? I don't care what you do and I'm not saying it a bad way.

 

When I say turn off CEL's I mean turn them off. Like they will never come back on as long as you have them off in the ROM.

You don't want to do any of those things because you think tuning is just a AFr and timing.

I care because this program is a joke. I hate watching people get robbed. That is why I care. EVERYBODY that has bought it has got robbed in cost. Its more like a $200 program and that is just because the OP2.0 is $169,
Tactrix Openport 2.0 and ECUFlash is free so thats $31 dollars for the trouble of finding about 34 maps in 8ish category's. The amount of maps is a joke for that price. Can you tell me what EVERY map in the program does?

By the way, ECUFlash is free, those maps are free that you see for the EVO, STi, and WRX. The only thing you have to pay for is the OP2.0. See how much more tuning capability you get with the FREE STUFF. Yes it has a group of people behind it working on it for free also, but its FREE. You paid for this and you get basically nothing.

You already spent your money, you like the program thats fine. If I can get just one person from wasting their money if they come read this thread then I did something. Get a tune from a real tuner, or save your pennies a little longer and get a real tuning solution. This thing is nothing more then a glorified expensive piggy back that you don't have to cut wires to install.

 

The STi and EVO have very, very good flash support and its free. This is not normal in the aftermarket world.
The F/A works fine for tuning MINIs, it doesnt have check sum fixes but works really well for AFR and timing adjustments. If your car has all of its emission equipment then you dont need check sum fixes. Software with check sum for euro cars is around $10k. I feel the F/A is a good deal for a MINI tuning option and we use them to tune at my shop.

 

This is probably the best way to put it,

If you want to do a comparison do it accurately, the Vipec & F/A are like apples & oranges, if you want to compare the Vipec to something then compare it to other stand alone devices, and of course for right now it's the hands down winner.

Then compare the F/A to other "factory ecu" options that are available for "the Mini", so the choices are basiclly 3:

1. Find yourself a tuner, set it & forget it, and yes your least expensive option.
2. Buy the good software and have access to everything, about 10k.
3. Buy the F/A, you don't have access to everything, but you have access to what you need, and the most important part, you have access any time you want, no hunting down a tuner, or dealer to make adjustments or clear dtc's & adaptaions, just plug it in & do it.

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned as a plus to the F/A that I'm taking advantage of is using it as a learning tool, personally I wanted to learn tuning, but have no time for classes & a proper education, so with the F/A I've been able to learn at my pace and get a better understanding of whats going on. I haven't learned everything of course and still am a novice, but I know far more now than a year ago when this all started.

As far as value goes, it's not the greatest in the tuning world, no arguement there, but for the Mini, if you don't want to just set-it-and-forget-it, it's actually a good option for the person who wants more without spending 10k. Don't forget right here we're talking about what you can do and or get for your "Mini", and as we all know as a performance comunity we haven't ever had all the choices that many other car owners have.

In a nut shell, if you have the desire & know how, and don't want to use the factory ecu anymore, get a Vipec.
If you want or need to use the Factory ecu, either get it tuned & leave it alone, or get the F/A and use it when ever you want.

 

I didn't even metion the Vipec I showed a screen shot but didn't say anything about it. He asked about a Mynes tune. What do you think they use to tooon? I posted a screenshot of F/a

I said that they had a good backing, I also said it was free. Its very surprising yes....What about knock corrections? Moving the knock sensor on to the Sprintrex sure doesn't help.....If you are paying 700 dollars for something you should get more then a $170 OP2.0 and software with 30 maps....Do you use the dealer F/A to tune cars? Or do you sell them the F/A the tune that?

Sure learning how to tune using a knock sensor is the way to do it??? Take a class don't run 28* of timing out the top on 16lbs of boost.....Also having people help you that don't really know what they are doing themselfs is just the blind leading the blind. Remember riding the knock sensor isn't tuning its using the knock sensor to take care of what you are messing up. Learn how to tune with out one and you will be in much better shape.

The only issue I have with the F/A is that it is put out as a program that is F/A and that it is over priced for what you get. That is it.

 

Nathan had a rebuild, he has had his car retuned with F/A and it was not done by Mynes. Why do you think it was rebuilt?

 

Actually True.. but there are so many things you DONT need. Order cabe TV some day and get the 110 Chanels... WOW!! But you only use 10 of them!!

YES!! to almost all you asked!!

OMG.. WTF!! read that again!!

Nates engine?? Wasnt that all someone else?? Kool-aid!! I know of a few cars here in Fl. is kool- aid issues..LOL

Yep!!

Just saying..............................

Thumper

PS: I have had the FA for a few years... and still have not done anything but data log!! LOVE IT!!

 

Fact Check

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Jim
Well for one thing my screen doesn't look like the one you displayed. Mine fills up the whole left hand column just as the others you show. I use the software, it works for me and that's really all I care about. You guys give them more advertising then they give themselves, that's pretty funny. People will use what works for them and if it works, like I said that's all that really matters.

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

From llabmik2:
Thats because you have all your stuff expanded. Every screen shot that I took, MINI, EVO, STi, WRX all had everything collapsed. So yes if I expanded it, it would fill the left side up, if I expanded everything in the other roms it would give you a lot to scroll, A LOT more then you would have in the F/A stuff....

It works for you that's fine. You still over paid. Can you turn off CEL's with it? How about making it run in OL when you want, like at idle for bigger cams? How about if you want to run a new MAP sensor can you edit any of the tables to run it? Can you change dwell times? Able to change knock table's for lets say a loud motor, or a knock sensor that has been moved to a sprintrex? Like I said you over paid. Im glad you like it and it works for you. You once again still over paid for something that is more like 1/10th access.

Read more: http://www.motoringalliance.com/forums/cooper-s-engine-drivetrain/13105-myne-tune-whats-your-experience-4.html#ixzz1ulrCsVqG

From me:
I usually don't go on forums like I use to. But I think someone needs some fact checking.

Let's start with OpenECU, Tactrix, Mynes and Bytetronik relationship:

This is very simple, since you know so much about EcuFlash, open your program, go to the HELP tab, and I would like for you to take a screen shot of that and post it here on this thread, since you seem to be the guru of our product.

Now let's go onto Bytetronik:

Me and the developer of Ecuflash is my friend for yes and we help each other in various projects. The owner of Tactrix and the owners of Mynes came together and form Bytetronik, and this company deals with European type ECU such as Siemens, Continental, Bosch etc. This included the MINI first, and we have develop systems for other companies to flash and tune their customers BMW E46 vehicles and Mercedes W211 vehicles using the same platform which Tactrix purchased license for and charge Bytetronik to use this platform by purchasing a license to use.

Now let's talk MINI FullAccess program:

You mentioned Knock Parameter???















You mentioned MAP Sensor:



You mentioned Dwell Changes:



You mentioned fault codes disable. I don't like posting this type of stuff, but I'll give you a sneaky peak:








Maybe I'll add few more that you didn't mention:



















Is there anything else I can assist you with screenshots that I may have missed? We have over 800 maps, tables, and scalars for MINI R50 series, and bunch of them has nothing to do with making more power.

The purpose of FA is to have MINI owners around the world the ability to tune their own MINI or a tuner of their liking. The first release of 30 maps was to focus on things for basic and semi-advance tuning. Allowing MINI users of FA to get use to German style algorithms and tuning. Now since the product has been on the market for a while, we will be adding more maps, tables and scalars to the map list with updates. We were working on live tuning in RAM by writing some special code into the existing code of Siemens by hi-jacking some interpolation routines which are already there and add code to move maps, tables into RAM whilst the engine is running.

But since me and the developer of Ecuflash is working on a new vehicle to add, we can't waste anymore time adding additional custom code to MINI code right now. We have already started on it, so we can always come back to it in the future.

I am not here to compete with RMW or who ever else that tunes, we are so far from that basic way of thinking. I am in the business of tuning tools for people who want to tune. It has nothing to do with Mynes tuned anymore, this move forward is way bigger than that in a business sense. We have users all around the world now, and that's our focus moving forward.

Thanks :wink:

 

Thanks for setting things straight Jay

 

Jason are you really going to tell everyone you developed F/A ? We all know that's a stone cold lie.

COBB ring a bell?
How about Colby?

Please....

 

Please contact Colby Boles at Tactrix yourself. So he can clear you up, and if you can READ I've mention that myself and the developer of EcuFlash which is Colby from Tactrix developed FullAccess. Never said that I develop this all by myself. And this lie he worked for Cobb LMAO!, you guys know how to start propaganda for sure! Please contact him ask what we developed together. Don't hear it from me. Go to the source. Anything else?

 

Dave, I'd say go back and reread my thread to see why there was the failure again but I want to be sure you and everyone else understand.

Upon leaving AMVIV and headed to Cali in 2007 the MY lightweight crank pulley cut into the belt tossing it as I climbed the big hill out of Vegas into Cali. The car overheated then. I figure at the point the damage was done. The shop that did the two rebuilds after did not measure the bore to the extent Chad's machine shop did. There were out of round cylinders. Throwing new rings or new pistons at the engine did not fix the problem.

It was not due to the tunes.