Most liked posts in thread: New Camaro = boat of fail

I soooo want one now. My wife had a '99 SS. The paint on the B pillar started to bubble before 2 years were up. I took it back to the dealer only to have them tell me that the condition was "commercially acceptable". I remember the phrase to this day. Being confused, I asked what that meant. The service manager said that they sell cars like that from a show room floor all the time. At that time I though he was full of crap, but in light of the recent events I no longer doubt that....BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

One of my kids wants one of these SOOOO bad. And I really wanted them to be good... not because my kid has any chance in hades of getting one... but I just wanted to see this thing succeed. Meh. All the production lines will be making Volts soon, anyway, with the current management regime. That'll be a huge success. :rolleyes5:

It really does say a lot about the state of GM IMHO... that this ultra-high-profile car that has been SO anticipated for SO long could be apparently not fully baked by now. I mean.... how hard is it to find these kinds of issues in tests of the early prod line test cars? Only answer I can think of is that they didn't have the production tooling, etc. ready sufficiently early to build the test cars for sufficient test periods... because, geesh... no one would ever think you'd actually drive one *fast*... or use *brakes*... or want it to *start*....

I guess I'll have to stick with the BumbleBee prototype we have in the garage now. At least it can fix itself.

 

Well, the battery cable issue I can understand. Some issues just won't be caught on a new production car and GMs correcting the issue right away, no reason to get on them for that.
The brake weights, until we know what they're exactly for, what happens if they're removed, and if they'll fall off at all with heat cycling it's a bit preemptive to hit them for that, it does looks strange though.

The front facia thing, that should've been found and resolved in wind-tunnel and pre-production testing. I can't see them making a car that can do 155mph but then break apart doing it. Possibly they were doing 155mph into 30mph winds or something which would subject the front to 185mph winds which they might not have tested for but even still it would seem like a good idea to make the car hold up to higher speeds than it's capable of going stock, just to be safe.

I'm not going to declare it full of fail yet, especially in light of some major issues with other very hyped cars in the past few years, but this isn't acceptable from GM.

It's not the big three, VW, Fiat (are they big three now that they have Chrysler?) MINI, Toyota, Audi and even makes like Lamborghini have all used retro designs and they've been huge successes. You can't criticize manufacturers for trying to produce what sells.
Besides, a lot of the original designs that do come out look ugly and bloated to me so maybe the best some designers can come up with is mimicking proportions that were pleasing 30 years ago.

 

Uh... dude... you posted that on a MINI forum? :lol:

 

He owns an STi though so it's not nearly as hypocritical as it initially sounds :yesnod:

 

I know... but he was a MINIac not long ago...

 

.... so either (a) he didn't realize that what he was saying also applied to MINIs or (b) we should stone him. :devil:

 

I get what you're saying (and did in the first place... was just having fun)...

But I think the Charger/Challenger/Stang were much better executed.... if someone wants to buy it, so be it... I frankly think it IS a good thing that some of those designers "gave up" on their newfangled crap and went back to classic concepts that "worked"... because a lot of the "modern" stuff these guys have come out with in the past 10 years has been HIDEOUS. Not everyone will agree with me on this... but thank God for Chris Bangle (not that he has anything to do with this current discussion). But at least he shares my sense of what "attractive" is... unlike most of the US designers...

 

Yep - I agree with you on the wins... but it's a horrific batting average, even if it were baseball. And I think the issue is, they don't have anyone at the top who agrees with us what constitutes a "win"... see "Cadillac"... though I have some coworkers who think the Caddies look good... I just raise an eyebrow when they say that...

 

I actually like the Cadillac styling.

 

There's one in every crowd.

 

well, there's one positive. :idea: