2nd Gen JCW Most liked posts in thread: New Mini Owner 2009 MINI JCW With A Few Questions

Really? He blew up his first motor with a large turbo.

So now to prove my point he is building a custom built motor that will still only get 25 PSI. All that money, failure and MONTHS both a broke down car you still think that better then an R53?

Oh and to top it off he is taking advice from "Thumper" who is known for making custom CAM's that make less power then OEM. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

But really what do I know I am only sitting here with a reliable R53 6 speed JCW in my garage while you have a autotragic stock ClubVan MINI. :idea::ihih::ihih::ihih:

 

I'm guessing that you haven't read all of Ol' Brokenwind's posts. His 300+ hp N14 engine was reliable for a number of years, his fatal flaw was taking the car drag racing at sea level when the care was tuned for his home in the mountains. The result was a lean condition that melted a piston.

 

Yes, it's French Peugeot origin, but even more odd is the R53 with a Brazilian Chrysler engine.

 

Yeah that Chrysler block is the same bullet proof block that was in all those dodge Neons.

American design made is Brazil because UAW cost too much for 1/2 ass quality parts. Also the R53 block is still the best motor ever put in a MINI because BMW was not part of its design.

 

Yeah it was a little reliable at the beginning because it had RMW parts and custom tune.

In the end the owner thought he knew better than JAN (with all his champiomship winning tunes) and stupidly self tuned. He used FA "Full access" with Byronic and blew his motor for not knowing how to tune for altitude while drag racing. I mean how stupid could you be by taking a MINI to a drag strip which is as stupid as taking a Dragster to an auto cross track.

 

Yeah if you want to learn how to frag your motor go to the obw thread...

The car didn't make it 5000 miles. It shouldn't lean out at sea level with a maf tune.. Does it have a carburetor?

He had a maniac tune with no knock sensors and thinks it was high compression that shattered a forged piston but w/e..

Even if my car is reliable now and makes it 100k, the design still sucks. Can't change the design.

 

I like how "us" with modified cars know what we are talking about but people with OEM cars know better. :idea:

OEM owners need to stay on the sidelines and stick with picking out new stickers and custom key fob rings. :lol::lol::lol:

 

Blocking the rear pcv increased my crankcase pressure and oil consumption (even with a new pcv/turbo).

Fwiw I can pull on Subaru guys now but barely. That won't come easy. It took 3x the Guap, effort, and time that my buddies have in their cars to do so.

Those guys like to spin rod bearings so I'm not sure who's dumber. Probably me... Those guys get cheap motors so... :idea:

 

Love the discussion, appreciate everyones opinions.

haliphics - didn't mean to hijack your thread, I don't typically start getting involved until I've done more research and decided my goals.. but felt this was a great thread to jump in on. I hope the conversation is helping you.... if not, will open new thread. Its helped me understand why the engine's are not "progressing"... appears mini was like lotus.. they outsourced their engines by model to different vendors... that makes things challenging.

I started reading the Ole Brokenwinds post (not done yet), very interesting. Looks like he is DIY, mechanically smart, putting down big HP (361whp... if that is accurate) while learning (and spending $$) during the R&D process. Its interesting and I hope he can figure out a way to make it be sustainable. I still have research to do.

Here is what I've learned so far:

Mini is owned by BMW but until this last model never used BMW engines. Which I still find odd for them to outsource the engines:

R53 (05 - 05) = Dodge (brazil built).. but essentially from Neon. Don't know if from Neon SRT or not yet. Assume there are different variants but looking into.. however overall research shows these are the engines that are typically modified (supercharger, not Turbo).

R56 (turbo) was made by Peugeot and has two (Maybe more - still looking) variants (based on NAM thread that I still need to fully read)
N14 Engine - N14B16AC (171hp / 177 ft-lbs)
* infinitely variable single VANOS (intake only)
* Siemens DME MED17.2 engine management

N18 Engine - N18B16M0 (181hp / 191 ft-lbs)
* infinitely variable double VANOS
* map-controlled oil pump
* variable valve timing (Valvetronic) with 3-phase servomotor and integrated eccentric shaft sensor
* composite camshaft construction
* new piston design
* Siemens DME MEVD17.2.2
(Note - other differences mentioned in that thread)

New models - not exactly where/when started but are based on the BMW 2.0 engine. I need to research this to confirm engine to see what type of mod's people are doing to their (BMW) cars.

Frankly, the Peugeot engine scares the hell out of me. That said, need to look at some EMEA forms to see what they are doing with them (and French model nomenclature). It appears there is an inherit weakness in this engine (oil seems to be one) and cylinder #2. I would guess depending on the cars they came in someone has figured that out.... or not if they were grocery grabbers...

Thread has helped target me... appreciate it and any additional comments. If anyone is in ATL with a tuned car, would love to ride in it to see what different HP feels/drives like. I'm not sure where I want to be yet, but I'm sure it's north of the 2016 JWC ~230HP (yes with suspension, brakes etc)... hard to go from M5's (Yes its BMW and high weight 4 doors) to less than my Corrado 15 years ago.. :devil:

wjosh45

 

And if they decide to put in the same amount of effort you did, you won't be pulling on them any more. Competing on straightline speed is a losing proposition in a MINI. Better to focus on other things like handling and driving skills.

 

LOL - no comments to add to that.

 

Well he hasn't. The car is broke, maybe someone has the link for the thread here with pics. He ran some loud ass Carrillo clapper Pistons that came apart real nice.

I hope he can find his way back here so I can tell him how worthless the boost port adaptor he sold me was. I threw it in the trash.

 

Yeah I had it sent to my tuner he sent me an email about that particular part lmao.

"got the gage, that was good, then I got the map sensor adaptor plate, that was bad :-( Was that a ebay part ? Whatever it was, its complete garbage ! Does not fit, they put the brass nipple on the wrong side! They put it on the intake side, the front and it hits the manifold, so you cannot fully seat it all the way down We need another one !"

 

Interesting - guess I'm not that far into his thread that I realized he produced some parts... and created a rift between you two.

Also - side note - been doing more research. Guess BMW bought JWC in 2007? While I love the original M homologation cars, not sure on the recent M's..personally (my perspective). They are going in a different direction. JWC seems to be in the similar boat.. looks, some performance, etc..

So who makes the best tuned mini?

 

Let me ask the question differently, Dave seems to have the recipe (and knowledge) for sustainable 300HP (Crank)/250whp which I bet is a hoot. But is that done. Is that it? Can/is there a reliable great handling/stopping car at + 300HP? I want and airport car plus weekend destroyer.. for road tracks. Not street racing. (Important note - helping a buddy put in a LS1 swap into a Lotus so odds are against me..but would be fun to beat him)...

haliphics - again hijacking here... so if need new thread let me know.

wjosh45

 

I saw rmw tune on the website so am still a bit confused if he does r56 or not. His tune is expensive ($1000), but I'm sure it works.

I used Jzw who is a good honest no bs dude. He gives you a Powergate programmer with the tunes so you can choose between several maps on the programmer and load whatever you want on there. He said hes got canned tunes that get good results from stock/Jcw turbos. I believe him.

Manic tunes advance timing pretty gnarly and "soften" knock sensor settings which is apparently a bad idea on the prince engine. Several tuners have told me those tunes are playing with fire..

JMTC uses some clown who will not speak to customers and could never eliminate the exhaust cel or get the car to run. I found out they set my redline at 12,000 rpm when I gave up on them after 3 attempts.

That's all the tuners I know of...