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TheModFather Well-Known Member
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Jeff and Mike were a huge help getting my car set up, from ride height, camber, toe and tire pressures. Everything they told me was spot on.
Higher tire pressures don't necessarily mean more grip, it's temperature dependent too, especially on the rears, which are just kind of along for the ride. It's hard to get a ton of grip back there anyway; higher pressures and relatively cold tire temps just don't work for me. I have no idea how Dick can keep his car on the road running cold tires with PSI in the 40's; maybe he's an ice driver in his spare time.
You might be able to replace your camber plates with ones that dial in castor--I have JRZ's going on as we speak (I misspoke if I said AST's earlier). I had KWv2's before, I can't wait to drive with the JRZ's on.
One other thing--I run staggered tires, 9 inch wide up front, 8 inch wide in rear. This makes a HUGE difference in grip. I run mainly Road America, which is also a high speed track.
I trail brake 5,6 and 8, and that tucks the nose in nicely on the apexes; I really don't like the rear sliding too much. I'm more point and shoot than drift. Also, if you lift (gently) to correct your line, lift throttle oversteer can really bite you in the arse, the rears slightly lower seem to help with this. -
TheModFather Well-Known Member
- May 15, 2012
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- 11 years in the ARMY, 2 years of being a multitale
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Different setup Chris... Made my own auto-X course in a private parking lot, and let her rip until everything was the way I wanted it...
Speaking of that, I may have to do it again if we dont get the rain they are calling for this weekend. The RS3's arent really liking the way it sits right now, but its close. -
If you tried that at Road America, you'd wind up like that Lamborghini driver in Florida...
You'd be lucky to make it to the carousel, and if you did, you wouldn't make it to the end of the carousel...
Seriously, that's way too high for Nitto's. We've got to get you out your self made parking lot autocross tracks and onto a real track. Be kind of cool to get that thing out there. Tech may be a byatch for you the first time through though; that would be worth seeing just for the entertainment value alone. But I can vouch for this: warmed up Nitto's in mid to upper 30's are an order of magnitude stickier than cold Nitto's in the 40's. My street tires are stickier than overrinflated cold Nitto's. -
I agree that tire grip is dependent on the tire temp. My understanding is that you will build temps faster by starting at a higher pressure (everything else being equal – Thermodynamics 101). I will test your tire pressure set up at VIR and see how it works out. I don’t have a pyrometer so I will gauge based off the pressure gain and on track balance, along with Harry’s laptimer.
What rim ET & spacer are you running in the front to clear the coilover? I’m guessing that the 9” width creates a larger footprint for the 225 NT-01 up front…? Have you softened the rear sway bar to gain/balance the rear end grip?
JRZs are great shocks. My last instructor had a set in his 911 and the handling was awesome! I am really happy with my ASTs. Predictable and they ride the kerbs well without unsettling the chassis. I only do that in one spot to straigline the two corners leading up to the climbing esses at VIR. -
Guys, I appreciate all the feedback. I will start out at 32psi and see where I end up after each session and make adjustments from there.
Chris, I also started filling out a setup sheet at my last event. I need to log the ambients and tire pressure pre and post session. I will likely drop my starting pressure thru the course of the day as ambients pick up. Castor is your friend. That is the advice I have been given as well! The AST camber plates are nice units but no castor adjustment. I'm guessing that you have gone stroker and Vipec on the motor? I have focused on handling but I see more power in my future :biggrin5:
VIR has two long straights which makes it tough against the Porsches and M3s. I'm getting to the point where I can hang with most of them around the tight stuff. They gap me down the straights. -
Toyo Tires recommends the following general set up guidelines for the Proxes RA1:
Operating Temperature: 160°F to 220°F
Hot Inflation Pressures: High 30s to Low 40s (psi)
Camber: -2.5° to -5.0°
Caster: As much positive as possible
From: Proxes RA1 | Toyo Tires -
What wheels are you running? 6UL from 949Racing? 15x9 et 36 up front with 15mm spacer.
What was the main clearance issue? The coil over on the inside or was it your BBK? I am running the TSW BBK which has a 4 or 5mm spacer built into the rotor hat. I cannot remember the exact dimensions that Jiff Bibbee told me back when I purchased them. Trying to figure out whether I will get away with the 10mm spacer I already have or need buy a 12mm spacer if I go with the 15x9 front rim.
Is the additional front grip worth the effort? Is it just corner grip or everything. Braking and earlier hard acceleration pick up....?
Do you have your ride height notes handy. What was your ride height front and rear with your 15" wheels?
Thanks
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15x9, +36, 15mm spacer, up front, 15x8 in rear, 8mm spacer. Everything is improved--acceleration, braking, cornering, and most importantly, lap times. Both brakes and coilovers on the inside come into play. I had the TSW setup before going to this, I thought the spacer was more like 1cm but it's been so long I'm probably wrong You might want to ask Way, he should know. I'm not 100% sure you're going to clear with the 949's, those calipers are wider and higher profile, although the rotor is only 11.75, mine is 12.19 so it probably will work.
I don't have my ride heights written down--they're around somewhere, but I can't find them. It makes a HUGE difference how you have the heights front versus rear however, found this out when one shop put the rear too low. It'll all be different when I get the car back anyway.
But Jeff's ride heights, if you still have them, are a GREAT place to start. -
Chris, thank you.
Front to rear rake 1/2". Not more than 3/4".
Trying to see whether I can tuck the wheels back under the fender by going to a smaller spacer before dropping my ride height.
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