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  1. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    Man...my head H-U-R-T-S!

    I've been sitting here thinking maybe I'm over-thinking things and missing the obvious and then you clear things up by realizing the OEM connector is molded. :crazy:

    I'm shelving the project for the week. I still need to buy a replacement soldering set since my friend kept mine when he moved away, so even if I discover that the molded plug comes apart, I wouldn't be able to do anything at this point anyhow.
     
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    Ok...as I was cleaning things up & putting tools away, I took another look at the OEM wiring...

    The molded connectors don't appear to come apart, so internal soldering is out.

    Does anyone know the gauge of the OEM wiring?
     
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    Yes, they are the same whether Cooper or Cooper S.
     
  5. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    Maybe Steve still has his OEM connectors?

    I'm going to talk to one of the local club members; I got my 2nd set of OEM horns from him via his totaled '02 Cooper S and I'm going to see if I can get the OEM connectors and/or a section of the wiring harness.
     
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    Hey Erika, stopped by the dealer and picked up some replacement horn plugs. They do come apart, so now I just need to determine the best way to make a jumper. Dealer charged me $3.00 each plug.



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  7. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    Part #?

    My connectors look like those, but the connector on the right (which is attached to the wiring harness) doesn't come apart.

    Are you able to get it apart?

    I spoke with the club member I mentioned in a previous post and I'll be getting a section of the wiring harness & connectors sometime this week.

    Hopefully the wiring will be marked so I can get the official gauge, otherwise I'll need to strip it a bit and measure it since I have no idea how thick/thin the insulation is on the wire.
     
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    Yeppers, it comes completely apart.

    It's just the plastic part, the wire and electrical pins need to be reused from what's on the MINI, so be gentle when you take it apart. If you have one of those jewelers flat screwdrivers that will come in handy.



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    Looking over the instructions, there is actually another way to do it that requires a bit less wiring, but is not either B or C.

    It is sort of a hybrid and it what I inadvertantly "saw" when I glanced before. Basically it is most like Fig C.

    #30 is power from battery. (using fuse)
    #87 is positive to air horn.
    #85 is ground (you can make it close to the relay)
    #86 is the jumper from the old horn positive. *This tells the relay to close and make the air horn work.

    This is how I did it. It requires only a short ground in stead of the long run back to the front and the horns. It also means one less splice or whatever you decide to use.

    Just in case it helps.
     

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    So I got this fantastic book today, has a wealth of information...

    R56 Horn wire size= .75 mm squared or roughly SAE AWG 18 - 19 gauge wire...:D
     
  11. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    YAY!

    Unfortunately, until I capture the electrical gremlins affecting my OEM horns (there's a new thread on it...) I won't be able to install the Bad Boy.

    But I will watch your project move forward to successful completion & then follow in your footsteps!
     
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    Erika, while you are weathering the storm you can think about this....
    Posi-Tap..... Posi-Tap- No Crimp Tap
    This is a handy way of connecting to the OEM wiring without cutting. One of their retailers is NAPA. This also doesn't require the purchase of a soldering iron..... I'm going to go this route to power the new horn relay for the Hella's.
    I'll be down at my shop figuring out where best to mount them. If you get bored with the storm, stop by and you can watch me work....:Thumbsup:
     
  13. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    MM,

    If you're able to figure out how to remove the footwell fuse panel & flip it over, please share the details.
     
  14. Metalman

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    Sooooooo Much Help Here........:D

    I stopped by NAPA and picked up my Posi-Taps.....:Thumbsup:

    Pretty neat little connectors....



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    I'd suggest putting some dielectric silicone when you assemble them. Either that of donut stuffing (vanilla). :donut1: