SMF is a street tire class?
Vorshlag camber plates are tough as nails. Consider those, too. Would an X-brace be legal for that class? Poly bushings (lower control arms, trans mount, lower engine mount, and especially the TSW upper engine mount) are a good return on investment, too.
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BThayer23 Well-Known Member
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street mod frontwheel drive is open on tires
vorschlag is too expensive but would love to have them. X-brace is illegal because it attaches at more than two points on the car. What bushings would you use? the race bushings or street bc i still daily my car. though a rough ride doesnt bother me, i worry about long term parts failure. -
Redbeard JCW: because fast is fun!Supporting Member
What are your Camber and Toe settings front and rear?
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BThayer23 Well-Known Member
I like the regular powerflex (PF) bushings. They offer a motorsport version for the front lower control arms, but it's not necessary. The rear bushings aren't nearly as important as the front; smaller range of motion and smaller forces/loads. BSH offers a lower engine mount that replaces the stock; PF offers poly inserts that fill in the holes of the larger rubber bushing, so they're a little more compliant. The NVH is pretty significant when you first install any new poly bushings, but give it a couple weeks and everything will break in nicely. Polyurethane lasts longer than rubber and is more resistant to leaking fluids, in addition to being stiffer.
Have you thought about a more aggressive brake pad, like Hawk HP+ or Carbotech AX-6?
Camber plates make a huge difference and reduce tire wear, but if you're headed towards coilovers, it'll save you a lot of hassle if you research which camber plate / coilover combos are compatible beforehand. I disassembled my Vorshlags after 3 years, 65,000 miles, and 26 track days, and they look and feel as good as new. And they fit perfectly with my new coilovers. -
Camber and toe are where ever they landed after I did springs and struts, an alignment is in the near future but what settings are you guys running that I could daily on without scrubbing tires.
Ax6 are next when these pads wear out. With my budget being so limited I'm just trying to plan out how to get the most I can -
I've had rather decent tire wear daily driving and autoxing with about 1/32" toe out front / 0 toe rear
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-2.25 camber front and rear (still running stock rear control arms, adjusted as far + as they will go). I used to run more toe out up front, but it did eat thru tires much quicker. I find that toe has a larger impact on tire wear than camber.
As far as fighting both oversteer and understeer at anytime: for a short time I ran some Koni (??I think) springs that were progressive rate AND way to low in the rear. The car would make wild swings from understeer to snap oversteer mid corner. Once I changed them out for a linear rate spring at a more reasonable ride height the car became MUCH nicer to drive at the limit.
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What linear springs are you running?
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Redbeard JCW: because fast is fun!Supporting Member
I agree with jasonsmf on the settings plus one thing: Get 1/32nd of toe-in in the rear. With a hint of toe out in the front and toe-in in the rear the car will have very responsive turn-in.
A caution: Depending on your swaybar's stiffness you might find the car tends to snap oversteer with that setting of toe-in in the rear. If it was me, I dial the stiffness out of the swaybar (either adjusting it if adjustable or swapping for a less stiff bar) in favor of the toe as that will help "rotation" without hurting grip.
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*STANDARD DISCLAIMER: This is a bad idea, I don't recommend that anyone modifies their springs and installs them upside down. You didn't hear this from me :wink:
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@jason, what wheel tire combo spec wise are you running. I can see hoosiers and ul5s, but offset, back space, tire size. Greatly appreciated thanks
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15x8 6UL's on the rear (+36 offset, plus a 1/4" spacer) wrapped in 205/50/15 Hoosier A6's.
I also have a set of 15x7 6UL's with 205/50/15 Dunlop StarSpecs that I use for my summer street setup or for when I don't feel like changing over to the race tires.
Hope that helps.
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That helps a lot, I should probably sell my 17's for 15's
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Jason -
so here is where we stand,
new mods:
Bc racing coilovers(r56 springs)
megan header with factory cat welded in
alta exhaust
wmw 17% pulley
cabrio bars
short shifter
15x8 konig wideopens(11.8lbs) et25
225/45r15 hankook z214 c71
and random weight loss
So far im very pleased with how the car handles especially with the heavier rated springs on the coilovers. the only issue im currently having is a little midrange hesitation cominig out of WOT and immediately returning to WOT. needs a better alignment still but very pleased with results.
other mods(still on car):
hawk HPc
rear seat delete
front and rear strut tower bars
26mm hsport rear sway bar on middle setting
CAI
tensioner saver
bushing inserts for engine mounts
old mods(not on car)
alta 15% pulley
one ball exhaust
jcw struts with tein springs
17x7 enkei rpf1 +42
215/45r17 dunlop direzza star spec
New plans(who knows when):
hawk HP+
slotted rotors
sneed speed shop splitter or wyvern splitter
wyvern wing
cage
corbeau fx1 wide
harness
gp intercooler
cams
injectors
rmw tune
strip rest of rear interior
tsw xbrace