Oh, the wicked web you weave...

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  1. Metalman

    Metalman Well-Known Member
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    The fact that they got away with it for so long is amazing..
     
  3. Crashton

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    Brilliant me thinks. I know this will cost them plenty, but I really wonder what they will do about all those diesels with the cheeky software. Owners are not going to want to have their cars reflashed with new software. Especially if their oil burners are running fine.
     
  4. Metalman

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    Bruhahahahaha....

    VW could do wut Microsoft does.... "That software is no longer supported"...
    Up-grade to a new VW....:devil:
     
  5. whaap

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    It's things like this that caused the need for punitive damages!
     
  6. Minidave

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    I've been saying all along, those cars stink! Now I know why.....

    Everyone talks about "clean" diesels" and every time I get behind one my eyes water and my stomach turns....

    I had a new Jetta pull out from a gas station right in front of me and nail it - it didn't look like he was rolling coal but it sure left a good brown cloud behind it till he took his foot out of it!
     
  7. DneprDave

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    My neighbors have a Jetta diesel, they burn biodiesel and it smells like french fries when they drive past.
     
  8. MCS02

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    I LOVE VW!
     
  9. Crashton

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    Never cared for diesels. They all stink.....
     
  10. Rawhyde

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    If I had one, I wouldn't "upgrade" it...

    If not for the timing belt, I'd have bought a Jetta Diesel instead of the soul crushing Civic when my long commute got even longer...
     
  11. Justa Jim

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    You go VW. I'm surprised the EPA figured it our. :thumbsup:
     
  12. ScottinBend

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    Genuine German ingenuity.............:D
     
  13. vetsvette

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    I liked my old Dodge work truck with the Cummings diesel. I wouldn't want to ride behind it though. :D
     
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  15. Firebro17

    Firebro17 Dazed, but not Confused
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    I'll never part with my Duramax... (I don't care if it smokes or not)
     
  16. Metalman

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    VW took down every one of their Youtube Clean Diesel commercials yesterday....:eek:
     
  17. MichiganMike

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    VW's 'ugly' emissions cheating scandal will damage diesel technology - LA Times

    LA Times article has a quote that supports your view:

    "If I’m enjoying the mileage and the torque I’m getting, I might wonder whether this 'fix' will negatively impact my car’s performance," Brauer said. "I'm going to get to that right after I rearrange my sock drawer."

    Interesting that this quote appears to have been deleted in a later version of the article.

    VW cheated on U.S. pollution tests for 'clean diesels' - LA Times
     
  18. DneprDave

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    I think it's funny as hell! I wonder how the EPA figured it out.

    My "other" car is a '97 Ford F350 4X4 with a 7.3 L Powerstroke Diesel. I really like it.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. rkw

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    It was described in the official EPA Notice of Violation, and summarized in news reports.

    The issue came to light initially after a study from researchers in West Virginia found that a 2012 Jetta and a 2013 Passat had substantially higher than reported emissions in use. VW denied that there was anything wrong with its models' emissions control systems and asserted that there were technical issues with the individual test cars. Still, CARB and the EPA launched investigations. VW issued a voluntary recall of affected models at the end of 2014, but CARB and the EPA were not able to find noticeably different results in recalled cars.

    After the EPA and CARB made it clear that they would not certify VW’s 2016 diesel vehicles unless the company could explain the anomaly and make sure it wouldn’t reoccur, VW admitted to having installed the defeat devices.

    VW realized they wouldn't be able to get away with denying wrongdoing (with criminal consequences), so they admitted it.
     
  20. Justa Jim

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    Germany is a small country, they run their diesels there and do not have a smog problem. I believe that the EPA emission standards here, are driven by the oil companies, who do not want to see a 60 mpg vehicle on our shores. It would cut into their profits.
     

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