1st Gen R53 Cooper S Most liked posts in thread: P0171, P1237, and now P1688. Help appreciated!

  1. Dave.0

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    First get rid of the ALTA silicone tubes or IC couplers because they all leak and cause boost leaks. The OEM black flexible rubber ones make a much better seal.

    Second fix / replace your crank damper, because if that thing goes on you have a tow truck # available.

    Replace it with an ATI OEM sized Damper or the Fluid Filled Damper that is available. (I forget the name of it)

    After those things are corrected then let us know how everything is. Things should be a lot better but you could have a throttle body seeing the end of its life but I would not replace it now since you have two bigger issues above that need to be addressed first that could resolve all the problems.
     
  2. nismo4life

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    So bumping this.

    P0171 has been finally solved. Torn diaphragm in my DT BPV. It was graciously repaired and is back on the car. Still mostly functions as it did with the light on, but the light is now off, has been for 3 tanks of gas, and there are no pending codes. Big thanks to Chad and TJ for taking care of that without hesitation!
     
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    Thanks Dave. Waiting on some MK2 stuff to sell from the car I parted out so I can order a crank pulley. I'll probably go with the ATI since its less than $100 more than an oem one and I've seen that its pretty much bulletproof. Hopefully I don't need a throttle body :(. I'm heading over to the shop now, I'll let you know what happens tonight.
     
  4. yellowbritishrocket

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    you have to be really careful when installed the DT BPV...if you arent you can crack that inlet tube...also check your vac hoses coming from and to the Intake manifold, inlet pipe and supercharger...if you get a cracked one it can cause a inconsistent boost pressure and could cause a shutdown..i chased a P1776 code which tuned out to be a cracked rubber vac boot...replaced the boot and all was well again...instead of the ATI damper look at the Fluidyne(thats the name of it Dave) damper that Rmw sells...less expensive than the ATI and its SFI approved...i had one in my car for over 100k miles with nary an issue...
     
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    You definitely have a positive and a vacuum leak possibly on the charge pipes and possibly a vacuum leak at the intake. Id suggest you smoke the both intake and exhaust.
     
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    Yes , im currently finishing up an r55 that we bought from the auction,had to do a complete rebuild. Although it was turbo and not super charged the symptoms and dtc are almost identical. At first it just idled rough and a constant barage of fuel trim codes. Gradually became worst more turbo lag and decrease in boost pres. Then smoke. I smoked the turbo and intake system , found the oil feed li e for the turbo leak even while engine off , thinking that it was the oil dripping on the impeller that caused the start up smoke but it was not. Finally and very reluctantly , having only 52k miles on it i checked the piston rings by smoking from the bottom through the oil dipstick and surprised to see smoke coming out of # 4 , took the engine appart expecting bent or melted rings but found a cracked piston. Im trying to figure out how to attach pictures so i can show you what happened to the piston and engine before and after rebuild.
     
  7. yellowbritishrocket

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    actually they are different joker...smoking a 2nd gen exhaust you may need to do because a turbo is spooled by exhaust gasses so if you are getting a leak and back pressure it can leech power from the turbo... where as the 1st gen uses a supercharger and all of the boost is in the intake side...like i said i had a leak in my R53's exhaust for awhile and all it did was smell funny...didnt cause any issues beyond that and i had a RMW street header with a magnaflow exhaust...bout as high flow as it gets but a R53 needs backpressure but a 2nd gen is hurt by that same back pressure
     
  8. yellowbritishrocket

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    in nismo's case if he is getting inconsistent boost pressures/vac he needs to smoke the intake side only...its pretty easy to see if you have a leak in your exhaust system...because there is already high pressure gasses just feel for a leak and give a sniff... also i wouldnt go so far as to do a compression test...there are codes that will throw for cylinder misfires and low compression...pull your spark plugs and look at the color and see if there is any damage to them
     
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    So updating this for anyone who has might have this issue in the future. I changed the driver side horn to intake manifold gasket, throttle body gasket, and inlet tube which had the charger side tab missing and the profile gasket on the blower and it fixed it. I do think the latter was the fix, but glad its fixed. I still have some kinks to work out though but thankfully so far it seems it fixed it. The fluctuation @ WOT is gone too!

    [ame=http://youtu.be/k2WZdhQUw_M]P0171 fixed - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Thanks Dave, me too! God I missed 34mpg on the highway :D
     
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    I just resolved a P0171 on my Mini last weekend. It was the rear O2 sensor.
    Pulled it and it was fouled pretty bad.

    Replaced both. Not cheap.

    But the code is gone and it's running smoother than it's run since I bought it!

    Don't know if you checked YouTube for this code. Lots of info.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt56nnw-2k"]Here's a good one that shows how to diagnose/troubleshoot it.[/ame]

    Good luck.
     
  12. Dave.0

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    Good news :Thumbsup: Chads a good guy.
     
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    :cornut: No help here so I'll just Bump.:Thumbsup:

    Jason
     
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    Haha no worries. Thanks for reading! :Thumbsup:
     
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    #6 nismo4life, Mar 7, 2014
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    Ok so small update. I installed everything onto the car, it now idles like garbage. Not sure what it could be so at some point this weekend or early next week I'm going to attempt to fabricate a smoke tester. If I can't I'll have to get it towed to my friends garage and smoke test it for free after they close.

    What its currently doing now. The increase in revs is from me. Throttle response seems fine so I don't think its the TB, at least yet. Sigh….I hate cars.

    [ame= surge - YouTube[/ame]

    EDIT:

    Bought a cigar and used my lungs to smoke test the car blowing through a PCV hose. Well it worked lol! New inlet tube is defected. Was never sealed properly at the s/c end.
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    I'll take a peak and see what I can find about them, glad to know theres someone with serious mileage on one, and I'm always ok with saving money! Thanks for the heads up.

    I'm hoping the car runs, at least how it did before I changed all this, once the inlet tube comes in so I don't have to drive the drift car anymore and can focus on fabricating a smoke tester this weekend so I can properly do it with some pressure in the system rather than blowing into a hose with a cigar hahaha.

    As for positive are you referring to a boost leak?
     
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    Oh wow. Well I have a compression tester so I could do that. Actually I might just for ha ha's.

    What year is the R55? I thought those cars had a known issue with oil consumption via bad rings, so if everything looked fine that might be the only explanation?

    And for photos I can't help you other than suggest you use a 3rd party site like imgur, photobucket, or imageshack. That's what I do for all my uploads.
     
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    Yeah true, but for 145k I'm curious now to see how my little motor's holding up. I can tell you that I could see the cross hatching on the cylinder walls when I did an oil pan gasket and absolutely 0 flakes in the pan.

    I found this over the weekend, and its just too cool of a little project not to do as well as the endless uses.

    DIY smoke machine tester!!

    But for what its worth I put everything back together fired the car up to see how it idled. Throttle response is significantly sharper than when I parked it. I am going to button everything up and head over to Advanced Auto and clear the codes and see what comes back. I'm still going to smoke test it though either way and I will upload a video of my crank pulley tomorrow when I replace the broken washer reservoir pump. It definitely doesn't spin true..
     
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    Glad you got everything worked out and are running at WOT again with boost. :Thumbsup:
     
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    So false alarm, CEL came back on today just for the P0171, though I'm sure the other two will show up too :mad:. Smoke testing the car on Sunday at my buddys old shop. We'll see what the outcome is.