Petition: Withdraw EPA Proposal to Prohibit the Conversion of Vehicles Into Racecars

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  1. Nathan

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    Tell the EPA to Withdraw Its Proposal to Prohibit the Conversion of Vehicles Into Racecars

    The American love affair with automobiles includes watching and participating in motorsports. For decades Americans have converted their street vehicles into racecars, from pre-World War II classics to modern era performance cars. It has brought joy and jobs to millions. However, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has issued a proposed rule that would do away with this time honored tradition. It would outlaw the conversion of any type of emissions-certified vehicle into a racecar, and make it illegal to sell any emissions-related parts for those cars. The Clean Air Act prohibits the EPA from regulating racecars. Tell EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy to remove this provision from the “Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium- & Heavy-Duty Engines-Phase 2" rule.


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    Not that is will affect me at this time in my life, but what is correct between the two postings #1 or #2?

    Or is it preemptive to keep things in check?

    :)

    I was thinking of building another track car for weekends. :)
     
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    It's basically a restatement and clarification of the existing law. I suspect in the end it is going to make little, if any, difference to what people are doing. On the other hand, I'm glad I did what I did to my car before 2018....
     
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    Interesting comment from another location.

    "Since the mfg lost their case to keep us from modding cars is this their work around?"
     
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    The members of SEMA (the Aftermarket companies) will get this shot down.
     
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    Yea what Dave said. I had already gat a email from SEMA about it. The government never clarifies any thing unless it to clarify mor control
     
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    No. Apples to oranges. One involves messing with the ecu, the other, emissions, it's EPA driven. The car companies don't give a rats ass what we do to the car as long as we leave the ecu alone.
     
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    That's why we have the option to remove the OEM ECU to and replace it with a ViPEC for racing.


    When its time for State Inspection and Emissions you just swap back your ECU. :devil:
     
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    That won't work for me....
     
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    I suspect this has a lot to do with people modding their street cars as they would a racecar -- and driving them on the street. I have known many people over the years that have done that.

    It sounds like what the EPA is trying to do is force people to choose between making their car a real racecar, that only gets used on the track, or keeping it an EPA compliant street car. Going to a couple of track days a year doesn't a racecar make.

    BTW, if you get to the point with your driving skills that your car is preventing you from turning faster lap times on the track, then you have something to be concerned about. Most of us will never get to that point.

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    None of us are professional drivers where we measure things in tenths of seconds.

    Rule of thumb with us mere mortals is that if we're consistently running laps within one second of each on a long track, we're maxxed out. That's when it's a good time to make changes to the car. It's not that you can't still improve, but there isn't going to be massive improvement at that point unless you're doing something really, really wrong.
     
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    ^^^^ All valid points.
     
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    I get the argument that the EPA is trying to force you to pick one or the other, but the reality is it depends on state emission requirement. In my state, once you buy the car, there is no further testing of it. In other states, it's yearly. It really depends on where you live.
     

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