Poor DE Etiquette?

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  1. Nathan

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    Not sure of the group but I know it's not a novice one. The S2K driver needs to learn how to use his mirrors.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAnOWaS26Rs"]YouTube - MSR 3.1 How About A Pass Please[/ame]
     
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    any particular part we should watch vs. 5min worth? I'm OCD with a 5sec attention span
     
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    At my last HPDE, the instructor put a tip jar on my dash - is that proper etiquette?
     
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    It also looked to me like the driver should have been in a higher group, but yea not a lot of courtesy out there.
     
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    :idea:

    Now that's a quote ! ! !
     
  6. Dr Obnxs

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    Or some drivers in a lower group.....

    the fact that a couple of the cars wouldn't know an apex if it hit them in the head is a good tip that they aren't too "mirror aware". some times the drivers just have no clue. Maybe a bit of a conversation after the session would enlighten them. Maybe not.

    Also, I didn't see any corner workers with the blue with yellow strip flag. What's the deal with that?

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    Keep in mind that this was a wet track and part of it is a bit older and well polished on the dry line hence some of the less than optimal appearing lines.
     
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    Agree completely the S2K driver was not being very courteous. Dude, use your mirrors. What happened to the corner workers, shouldn't there be some flags thrown on the play?
     
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    If I am thinking about this correctly (I was in a different run group), this is the blue group (mostly solo drivers) after 2 days of heavy rain. The drivers are in the process of "testing" the dry line, transitioning from the wet line. As far as the corner workers are concerned, this was the last session after standing around in the rain for 2 days. They were getting a little "slow" with the passing flags.
     
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    If it was blue group...

    it's even more inexcusable, as these drivers are supposed to be experienced. If there's a line of cars behind you, get the eff out of the way! Seems pretty simple to me.

    Matt
     
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    Sometimes if there is a long train, with no pass-bys being given, I'll pull into the hot pits and wait for them to get further ahead and then go out and chase them down again. MAybe not as much fun as passing everyone but still better than being in a train.
     
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    #12 cct1, Sep 18, 2009
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    Blue flags? Did you say blue flags? They're more trouble than they're worth in my run groups, at least for me. I'll always let someone quicker past without hesitation, even try to anticipate it way before I see a blue flag to give the driver a good place and point by to pass, usually get it set up way before a blue flag.


    But I see blue flags all the time....after I've passed someone, who's pointed me by, in a car a corner worker presumes is faster than mine.
    Usually after a few sessions it gets itself sorted out and they're not so quick to pull the flag out, but it's frustrating for the morning sessions....

    And the converse, I can be on the tail of a car for a few laps before a corner worker will finally pull the flag for the poor ol' MINI to pass....

    Although it's gotten quite a bit better as I've moved up the food chain, there are a few folks out there on the track that'll pretty much do anything not to be passed by a MINI.
     
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    It's a testosterone thing. Where as the guys in the big bright red Corvettes are obviously compensating for something, maybe allot of things, we MINI drivers are obviously not compensating for anything!:smilewinkgrin: Just out there having fun passing everything in sight.
     
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    Some tracks are different than others. When I run at VIR, the corner workers are quick with the passing flag. Other tracks in the area aren't as aggressive with the blue/orange stripe - and noticeably so.
     
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    Thunderhill and Infineon

    have pretty good corner workers who are good with the flags. I've never had a problem with a corner worker, but I've had tons of events with with drivers that weren't that considerate.

    Matt
     
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    Got frustrated just looking at video
     
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    Ok, so at my last HPDE I got a yellow caution flag, slowed down a touch as the next turn was a blind over hill, off camber, super late apex that the mustangs had been spinning on all day. As I tapped the brakes late (per usual for me) I got flipped off by the Corvette driver behind me. I was livid. No I'm not the fastest car out there, but you can F-ing back off if you think late braking is an affront to your manhood. I hate Corvette drivers and their cars are ugly too.:mad5: There, now I feel better!
    Oh, and I was told I point by too often and stop driving like a girl. Which I did :devil:
     
  18. minimark

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    Who were running HPDE with and what group? In NASA I've never seen anyone chewed out for giving point bys..... Now if you were just a moving chicane I would think the officials and or instructors might have a conversation with you to see if there was something wrong and/or put someone in the car with you to help.....
     
  19. Minidave

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    I have a video taken from my JCW -I was behind a Corvette - I ran the whole session behind this guy - on the straights he would pull away from me and then I'd ride his ass all the rest of the way around the track till we hit the long straight again. It was so frustrating!

    When I did an NASA event at the Glen last October I felt like I spent the whole session with my arm out the window pointing people by!

    So, I've been on both sides of the fence....
     
  20. BThayer23

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    For whatever reason, it seems like 99% of Corvette and late model Mustang drivers just have no idea how to stick their left arms out the window. Doesn't matter where you are, that kind of driver just gravitates to that kind of car. It's like their ego is so fragile that they can't stand the idea of giving a point to a car with less than half the horsepower.

    It happens at every track, and before MINIs, it was the Miatas, Integras, and E30's that suffered before us. You're gonna run into a few pricks on and off the track.
     

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