Just FYI, denatured alcohol is about the only thing that will clean the liquid from the blown motor mount off the frame - but if you spritz it on and leave it soak, it will even get off the hard old dried up stuff that leaked out before you knew the mount was bad.
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agranger MINI of the Month June 2009Supporting Member
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Again, really great writeup. Not sure I'd want to attempt it without someone who knew what they were doing nearby, but I'd be more comfortable now having your step by step. One thing I would be worried about would be if I got all of the bolts tightened down enough. That's always a concern I have with work like this.
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agranger MINI of the Month June 2009Supporting Member
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Nice write up :cornut: I just saw these pieces today. I am going to do a bunch of Powerflex stuff in a couple weeks. My mechanic is talking to the PF people right now trying to get them to make a lower motor mount kit to completely replace the bushings, not just their add on pieces. Will see what happens :idea:
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agranger MINI of the Month June 2009Supporting Member
Someone asked about NVH and I just noticed something this afternoon while heading out to lunch. I got hard on the gas in 2nd gear after a turn and then lifted suddenly when I saw a car approach an intersection ahead (not sure if he was going to pull out in front of me or not). When I came off the throttle, the transition from engine pulling to engine braking was much more noticeable than before. I guess that the engine mounts had absorbed a bit of that torque before, or at least softened the transition by extending the duration.
In daily driving on dry, summer roads, I don't expect any issue here. It's also OK because I should know when I'm lifting off the throttle. In snow or rain, it might prove to be a bit touchy, but in those conditions, I shouldn't be going from 90% throttle to 0% throttle so quickly anyway. I'll have to keep this in mind when I go to the track in a few weeks... it's more likely (if I'm not smooth) that I'll experience the 90%+ to 0% quick change there and a sudden weight shift in a turn might be a handful. One more reason to focus on my pre-track run mantra of "I am Mr. Smooth".
I've been doing a lot of bushing stiffening and mount changes lately, so I'm not 100% sure of what made the difference, but I'd suspect that it's one of the top 2 changes, below:
- engine mount (top) replacement with OEM - to replace blown OEM unit - 1 week ago
- Replaced OEM bushing with Powerflex engine mount bushing (transmission mount) - 1 week ago
- added Powerflex rear trailing arm bushing stiffeners - 3 weeks ago
- Replaced OEM bushings with Powerflex front LCA bushings - 4 months ago
- Added Powerflex lower engine mount insert - didn't replace the smaller of the 2 because I didn't have a press handy and the OEM piece looked fairly solid - 4 months ago
The good news is that I took the MINI in for a pre track weekend inspection. The tech brought the keys back to me saying "I've never been in a MINI that was set-up so well. Great work!"... which was nice to hear given the regular customer cars at that place (luxury cars and high-end exotics). I'm no expert by any means, but it's always nice to have a professional validate your work when the wrong suspension choices/mixes can degrade handling well past stock performance.
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They mention that the solid race bushing pushes a LOT of extra NVH, especially under 3500 RPM.
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Here is the BSH I got direct but have not yet installed it. Steve and I talked about the problems with the small end being solid. I think his idea has really good merits and hope he gets to offer it to all of us.
This was my solid version. Worked great stopped all engine rotation and movement. But let me tell you our 1.6 engines are not vibration free. :lol:
Going this extreme you would need gel cloves to hold on to the steering wheel.
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Yeah, the bottom engine mounts tend to transfer a lot of vibration. I have not driven a car with a solid mount but I could imagine it being pretty tight.
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I think a seafoam treatment might help a lot. I'll give that a shot first before my next oil change.
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I've got the lower mount set up with the inserts on the large side and the OEM bushing on the small one. It was really done because I didn't feel like trying to find a press to change out the small end, but the OEM side was pretty small and was a solid bushing, so I didn't think there would be a huge change. In fact, I upgraded that lower large bushing on it's own and never noticed a difference after the upgrade.
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Wayland, include Dimple® Products in your "Dealer for" section entry. Congratulations on your huge expansion, mate.
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I have had both the yellow and purple bushings in both the upper and lower mounts and love them. Been in the car for over 2 yrs now with no real NVH issues. Just a bit of a vibration at idle.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
Thanks again Aaron (agranger) for the great Library article. I finally got around to installing my transmission mount inserts -- they've have been sitting on a shelf in my garage for a few years -- and thanks to your write-up and an essential assist from my Bentley manual it went without a hitch. I'm adding some extra hints, etc, below, mostly to help any other non-S owners who do this but also in hope of adding a bit more detail for those who crave it.
However, I did have the same sort of difficulty getting the bracket (cradle mount) repositioned to get the bolts in. I think my brain was overheated by then because it took me a few minutes to realize I needed to raise the engine a bit more to allow it to pivot back into position.
Step A: Go to the article and read the disclaimer...ditto.
Step 1: You're going to need to be able to get a floor jack under the front end to support the engine. I have a low profile jack but still need a bit of additional space to get it under there so drove it up on ramps, but a couple 2x6s might do the trick for most.
Steps 3-5: Non-S owners need to remove the stock airbox, no question about it. If you have an aftermarket intake (I have an AFE) you'll probably need to remove that as well. Use the pics below to decide whether you have the clearance to get at everything, wrestle the bracket back into position, etc.
With my AFE intake housing minus the cone filter (red arrow). That filter housing must be removed. As will become clear below the battery box (green arrow) also must be removed to allow you to shift the fuse box (yellow arrow) out of the way.
It will look the same with your stock airbox removed as it does with my AFE filter housing removed. Mine is an '02 Cooper and I think the later Mk1 Cooper's airbox has a different shape but I suspect the lay of the land beneath looks pretty much the same. Eagle eyed viewers will note this pic was taken after the bushing inserts were replaced. Hey, I didn't think to take most of these pics until I was reassembling, so sue me!Note the bolt at the red arrow, this will need to be removed to allow the battery box removal.
Take off the cover and pull the battery. It's not time to pull the battery box yet because that box also contains the DME control module (red arrows). It's wired in there so it needs to be disconnected before the box can come out.
If you look down into the box along the ends of the DME module you'll find a peg at each end (green arrow) that will allow you to release the module (push in direction of red arrow) so you can lift it to get at the connector locking mechanisms.
Here I've lifted the module and already pulled one of the locking mechanism (red arrow). You can see the handle for the other locking mechanism (yellow arrow). Note the connector will rise when you pull/release the locking mechanism and will draw back down when you re-lock it. If, when you reassemble, a connector doesn't draw back in (down) when you push the locking mechanism in, try again, and try pushing down on the connector as you lock it.
Once you've released both connectors the DME module can be removed. You can leave it in the battery box but I set it aside elsewhere because I felt it was safer that way. FWIW, here's what it looks like.
Now the battery box is completely empty and can be removed. Here you see a green arrow pointing at the hole where the external bolt was that I mentioned in a preceding photo. Remove the bolts at the blue arrows, shift all the cables/connectors out of the way and lift out the box.
The battery box is gone but we only removed that so we could move the fuse box (yellow arrow) out of the way to get at a hiding bolt (Step 8, green arrow) holding down the transmission support bracket.
Pull this bolt (blue arrow, also mentioned in Step 8, one of the red arrows) and its twin at the other end of the fuse box...
...and then shift the box so you can get at this bolt (red arrow, also mentioned in Step 8, green arrow). There's the pesky devil that forced you to go through the whole battery box removal biz.
Step 9: I don't have a 12" extension but had no trouble with my 10" extension.
Step 10: I found no reason to remove this bolt.
Steps 12: Here's a closer look at the openings the insert will fill.
For reference, here's a look at the parts removed.
Step 13: I also found lube essential here. In case your inserts don't come with their own lubricant, remember some lubes apparently aren't so good with poly. I use Super Lube Synthetic Grease (super-lube.com).
Step 19: The IE inserts made things tight and made it difficult to force the transmission support bracket back into place and line up the center holes. I therefore found it easiest (in fact, essential) to deal with the center bolt first (only partially threaded to hold it in place) and then rock the bracket and raise/lower the engine as required to get the other bolts to line up.
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