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  1. TGS91

    TGS91 New Member

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    Cool, *figurred* you knew that but wanted to check in, Sounds like a fun project. Should keep you off the streets at night!

    As far as CEL's my understanding is in the R56 the engines have gotten incrementally more sensitive to after market downpipes. My 07' has only thrown one CEL and that was at MINI's in the Mountains/MTTS and Way of Way Motor Works attributed to change in elevations. Sure enough by the time I hit the Colorado/Kansas border it was gone.

    In the process of researching downpipes I talked to one exhaust vendor and he was relating that 10's, for example, were very sensitive to downpipes and almost alway threw a CEL

    How to 'dumb' down the engine? Haven't a clue, maybe in the O2 sensor?
     
  2. Metalman

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    So now for some quick and dirty mockups for the style guys.

    Here is a quickie with the 4" tubing (outside will be polished on the final version). The center tube would be extended flush with the 4" tube and the baffle plate 1/2" inset. This would be the square cut end (David)

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    OK, same thing but the center tube is flush with the baffle plate.

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    I'm starting to think 4" is just too big. There would be two of these cannons next to each other with about a 1/4" spacing.
     
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    TGS91 New Member

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    I recall talking to Way about exhausts and his recommendation was no more than 2.5" dia on tubing. After that it was detrimental to performance.
     
  4. DneprDave

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    I've also read that 2.5" is as much as you need for a MINI's exhaust, it'll flow more than the engine can put out.

    I like the tip with the extended center tube best. maybe you could paint the baffle plate black. The contrast between the polished outer tube, the black baffle plate and the stainless center tube would look good!

    Dave
     
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    Yeah, I read where 3" is just for bragging rights and the only thing it does is add unnecessary weight. I figured I was pretty safe in only bumping it from 58mm to 63.5mm. That way when the new (future) downpipe goes on that should flow better, the 2-1/2" shouldn't hinder it.
    The point is I want to maintain the exhaust temperature and flow rate. And going too big defeats that purpose.
     
  6. Metalman

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    Ok, for the style guys....
    I made a 1:1 paper template with the 4" tubes and 1/4" space.

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    Sorry about the poor lighting...
    Here is the template centered over the bumper cutout. If I remember, there is about 3/8"gap on the left and right side and about a 1/4 space at the top.

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    There should be enough clearance where the muffler won't hit the bumper and cause a cabin vibration and still allow some movement of the rubber hanger grommets.

    Sooooo, is 4" too big or should I go for 3-1/2"? If I go smaller on the muffler tubing it'll reduce the muffler chamber size and that will reduce my ability of adjusting the sound.
     
  7. Metalman

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    I had to look closely to what you said, I definitely don't want it to look "RICER". I see too many Honda's running around town with those fart cannons drooping off the back of their bumper. Sticking with the MINI looking tips but just bigger to fill out the opening.
     
  8. DneprDave

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    Ricer? You mean like this?:lol:

    ricercannon.jpg

    Dave
     
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    That just might prevent any tailgating. :D

    Jim
     
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    If you want to reduce the tailgaiters drop the pipe size to .50cal :eek6:
     
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    Go big or go home. Double 4" slash-cut tips!
     
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    david in germany New Member

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    The more I see the stock JCW exhaust the more I like it.
     
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    the paper mock up looks great. I also like the baffle flush with the center tube... both sticking out seems odd... no need to showcase the little ones
     
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    Good point Adam....

    The neat thing about the muffler design that I'm going to build will have two removable / rebuild-able / tunable cores. So the shell (4" tubing) would remain in place and the baffle cores would be the removable parts. These cores should take no more than a few minutes to slide out of the muffles tubes without needing to get under the vehicle. I could even put separate designs on each opposite baffle core end. They could both be flipped, and have the small extensions visible or flip them both and have the flush surfaces visible.

    Chuck
     
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    Sounds like the old Supertrapp design.
     
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    David...
    I'm thinking the Supertrap muffler used a series of stacked discs packs. Mine would operate more like a silencer for a firearm with a straight through exhaust.

    Chuck
     
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    I was thinking about the rebuild able core not the diffuser disks. :) The original Suppertrapp had fiberglass stuffing that was replaceable but steel wool worked well also.