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  1. Rixter

    Rixter Well-Known Member

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    That would seem like a fairly quick/inexpensive win
     
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    I noticed a lack of low end power with the Stratmosphere I had, which I feel had very little back pressure. Had (and still have) the stock DP on. Once I put the stock S exhaust back on I liked it a lot better (off the line accleration). The factory JCW exhaust felt just like the stock S one as far as turbo-spooling pressure goes.

    I dont exactly know the logistics of it, but the Strat system was 2.75" i think. JCW is closer to 2 1/8"
     
  3. Metalman

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    Thanks Adam....

    I was thinking of adding a vacuum or electrical operated exhaust cut-out. Now normally cut-outs are used to dump the exhaust gases outside the exhaust track. But my thoughts are to keep the cut-out in line with the exhaust continuing to flow through the mufflers. I would then modify the butterfly valve (a simple disc on a rod), by removing metal from the disc so when it's closed the the gases would still pass through the butterfly valve but at a rate similar to the stock exhaust of 2-1/8" and when open it would be similar to the 2-1/2". So with the flip of a button I could go from stock back-pressure to custom straight through back-pressure.

    I'm also thinking that if there was an issue with the irritating droning noise entering the cabin, this could possibly alleviate it.

    Anyway, that's what I had floating around in my head.

    Chuck
     
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    Interesting thought. I guess it just depends what sort of difference it makes. Only one way to find out though
     
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    Greate motive but i know that most butterflies in exhausts are built in to the mufflers not the initial pipe. I wonder how that would affect the performance, you could probably get a patent for it :Thumbsup: I cant wait to see what you come up with, i just wish i had the materials and machinery needed to make protoypes.:Thumbsup:


     
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    I thought about the muffler, but that space will be dedicated to baffle chambers. Also, if I keep it in the exhaust pipe as a removable item it would be easier to service.

    I'm thinking the BMW X5 has these in the exhaust pipe up close to the engine and they open up at WOT.

    Hah, I already have three patents, they are more trouble than they're worth, don't need any more trouble. Besides, there probably isn't anything unique in what I'm doing anyway.

    Chuck
     
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    Touche!

    I guess the real problem would be getting the buttfly valve at the right closure distance to mimic the flow rate of the factory exhaust. Tell me you have these tools:ihih: why cant you be closer to VA!


     
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    I think what Chuck said above is when its "closed" its still say, 80% open or whatever need be, but when open its 100% (minus the rod/disk assembly)

    needs a free spin mode lol... so it can spin like a pinwheel and make some crazy exhaust notes :cornut:
     
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    Bigprfed22 New Member

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    I totally understand what he meant:Thumbsup:

    Just wondering how the flow rate will be discovered.





    HURRY UP WE NEED VIDS:incazzato:


     
  10. Redbeard

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    Again, I am far from an expert so this is just a thought experiment, but wouldn't the butterfly valve interrupt the laminar flow of the exhaust enough to cause more impedance (back-pressure) than just the difference in measurable cross section of the exhaust?
     
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    Thats what im getting at, the valve closure would have to mimic the initial flow rate of the factory exhaust:Thumbsup:


     
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    So was the question, do I know how to test the flow rate of the stock exhaust versus my experimental exhaust? Well yes.... If you have one of these.... and I do....:D

    [​IMG]
     
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    :wink2: sweet! Would the flow rate be different at different engine speeds/levels of boost, or will it be a general reading?

    I ask out of curiousity thinking about with more force comes more pressure and with more pressure comes more restriction. kinda like current and wires?
     
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    Well, as far as the valve, I'm thinking two positions for simplistic reasons (I don't want to spend all the effort and time to try and make it variable for different engine speeds. One at stock (which would be the default off position) and one at full open.

    Gee officer..... it sure sounds like a stock exhaust to me????:eek:
     
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    I get what your saying but you know more about this than i do and im just asking if it is relative to the electric side of the spectum with resistance/voltage/current if ya know what i mean
     
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    I try not to go there.....
    All I know is electricity is faster than I am....:eek:
    That would be a good question for someone named "Sparky":D
     
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    Just tossing a thought out here. What if the butterfly disk were bent slightly in the middle creating a "V", with the point toward the flow. This might cause the gas to be smoothly diverted past it, rather then hitting a wall.

    Jim
     
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    #154 Metalman, Mar 3, 2011
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    I'm not overly concerned about disrupting the laminar flow. It really depends where I mount the valve. If I mount it at the end of the exhaust by the muffler, the gases will see very little disruption.

    What's not known, will there be a reflected wave that travels back to the engine from the valve?
     
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    Thats what I am asking. Just because the valve gives you a cross-section that is the same doesn't mean you will have equal "backpressure", does it?

    Thinking about the "v-bend" I think when it was opened it would create a disruption because of the leading edge being "larger" than a flat plane. However, since we are waxing theoretical a valve with two half-circle blades and a centered hinge would do the same trick when blocking the flow. You still get a "smoother" airflow then when they open the flow they fold onto each other and out of the air flow as much as possible...

    Neat to think about. :)

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