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  1. Justa Jim

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    Good guess. They all seem to have them, so perhaps mud flaps are required and they came up with these things, just to meet the rule.

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    I am sure they are still more than enough to keep rocks from flipping too high into the air and taking out spectators and/or other car radiators/lights/windscreens/etc when passing is involved.
     
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    #10 Crashton, Jan 4, 2012
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    Yes to get them through scrutineering. If those flaps were rigid they would get ripped off & take the part of the body they were bolted to along with them.

    Does anyone else think that first picture looks like a publicity shot for team Skittles? :biggrin5:
     
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    One of the best things about the Dakar are its ethics, that grew out of the need to look out for other competitors first, and race second.

    I only found out this year that, at the competitors' briefing before the start, the youngest competitor is required to deliver a 'sermon' to all other competitors on the right way to behave! Reportedly this year's youngster, 20-year old Loca Bonetto, acquitted himself well:

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    But yesterday was a superb example, shown on Yurpeen TV coverage - last year's car winner Nasser Al-Attiyah was seen in the bivouac helping one of the privateer motorbike competitors fix his bike. Not something you see in other races.
     
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    I think you guys get the same coverage as we get in Yurp on Eurosport - presumably you get a different commentator.

    So did you see the bit where Sven Quandt, BMW team manager, showed a standard Countryman and the Dakar "Mini"? He said the production and rally cars share headlights, taillights, door handles, windscreen/shield, a few interior parts... and that's it. Everything else is different. Nice to see even BMW aren't pretending it's a Mini.
     
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    Indeed, purpose-built vehicles -- built by neither MINI nor BMW -- where purpose = success at Dakar. You build the chassis, suspension, drive train, etc, and then fit a body shell and any other associated bits and pieces you can that won't detract from function.

    I haven't seen that side-by-side bit with Quandt, I'll watch for it. Thanks for the heads-up. :Thumbsup:
     
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    All very true. Even so, the average and casual fan only sees the word "MINI" stamped on the roof above the windscreen and listed in the stage results. I'm still taking a lot of enjoyment in the brand association and the broad publicity, however misguided it may actually be under the surface. :Thumbsup:
     
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    Countryguy Coupè? It has the Helmet roof profile!

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    #89 Steve, Jan 14, 2012
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    I'd like to hear the rest of the Al-Attiyah story. Gordon stopped to help him a couple times in early stages which surprised me because those were very team-oriented actions. According to Gordon after one of the worst of those early delays Al-Attiyah was ready to quit and go home. No word on whether that was because Al-Attiyah blamed the quality of the Hummer for his performance and thought it wasn't worthy of his effort or he just wasn't having fun because he wasn't winning so he didn't want to play anymore.

    I thought Gordon made an excellent point after Al-Attiyah eventually called it quits and went home. He said, and rightly so IMO, the guy could have hung in there as a supporting team player like Gordon did for him early on and probably finish around 5th place anyway but he decided to quit instead.

    It's only a two car team so I can understand how having his only other supporting player quit on him would add to his frustration. Top that with the official disqualification and competitors calling him a cheat plus a lot of late hours trying to keep things together and it's no surprise he's right up there at the boiling point.

    To be honest, I'm surprised to be defending him as I'm far from a fan. He's running the rest of the rally under appeal and won't know the result of the appeal for weeks. If it turns out he really is running an illegal system I'll gladly call that the main reason for his tension and that ridiculous outburst.

    Does everyone following along understand the reason he was disqualified?
     
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    Alan - True, not the first time, won't be the last. The history of LeMans is particularly full of examples.

    Mark - He and/or Al-Attiyah absolutely did have the outright pace of the field on some stages. But either the Hummers couldn't sustain that outright pace on Dakar terrain or the drivers made extra mistakes because they were pushing so hard, because they had more problems and mechanical issues than anyone else running near the front. Gordon finished 5th on outright time, that's not down to any penalty. The appeal will only decide whether his disqualification will be overturned (I think we can all guess how that will go). If it's overturned, he gets to keep the 5th place standing he earned.
     
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    Yes and no. He certainly outran them, but then the two cars are not built to the same rules. However I just cannot work out how the Dakar rules work so I can't give chapter and verse. The Hummer gets in as it complies with SCORE rules, whereas the Mini/BMW was built to Dakar rules.

    The 'Hummer' (is that because that's where it's engine came from?) is a naturally-aspirated 6.0 litre petrol/gas V8, while the BMW is a 3.0 litre (twin) turbocharged diesel straight-6. You tell me which of those should be faster - I don't think it's obvious. I think the Hummer has to have a marginally smaller restrictor plate. As a SCORE car, the Hummer is allowed about twice the suspension travel of the BMW and that was obviously a big factor at top speed.

    Given the huge technical differences between them, it's surprising they were as close as they were.
     
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    Only the 2nd Dakar with a Mini-lookalike body on it - but they have been competing since 2007, with a BMW-lookalike body on.
     
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    #2 Steve, Jan 3, 2012
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    MINI Motorsport's Stage 2 report:

    Peterhansel flexes his muscles.
     
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    #3 Steve, Jan 3, 2012
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    Stage 3 report:

    Holowczyc moves into pole position. (minimotorsport.com)
     
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    #4 Steve, Jan 3, 2012
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S6FG4PqMzk]Dakar Day 1 -- Three MINI ALL4 Racing On Top. - YouTube[/ame]
     
  17. Justa Jim

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    Nice Steve. BMW/MINI are not involved with these cars, so we should get a good season with them. :Thumbsup:

    BTW: What do the mud-flap-like things on the rear wheels do? They look like the flap around too much to do any good, but i could be rong.

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    Been thinking the same. I saw similar flaps on the WRC cars from time to time last year as well. Big, soft, flappy things aren't they?

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    Best guess (and it's a real WAG) is they're up, out of the way and creating less drag when the car is at speed and they're down where they can have an effect when slogging through mud, etc.

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    Stage 4 results for the MINI All4 Racing team: 1st, 4th, 5th, 10th and 11th. As a reference, 136 cars were classified as finishers yesterday on Stage 3.

    Not all cars have completed Stage 4 yet so the overall standings aren't available but I think those stage finishes will stand.

    More later. :Thumbsup: