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That should not happen regardless of how you bed them or treat them! I have used the reds before and liked them, but after this years dragon I am completely sold on Carbotechs.

 

Damn, I have a front set waiting in the garage to go with new rotors. The Reds on there now are +half gone but still sticking to the backing plate.
EBC better get on the stick and track down their issue, this could be costly.
I wonder if they have batch numbers printed on their product box's.

 

Thanks for the info. Having just finished with the Dragon will have to jack the Clubman up for a visual check. And tell other friends that run these.

 

:cornut: Reds front and rear and no problems. They stop on a dime and give me $.09 change. They set on the shelf here at my house for four years prior to being installed though. So maybe they were made prior to any alleged formula change or it takes the glue 4yrs to dry.:yikes::lol: I'll just keep an eye on this thread and my EBC RedStuff pads.opcorn:opcorn:

Jason

 

I have about 2 years on my EBC reds. I just swapped the front brakes for a BBK and the pads, although a bit worn didnt fall apart. I guess I will have to take a look at the rears just to make sure they are still intact.

 

Folks I seriously suggest again that some of you try the Cool Carbon pads from Bavarian Autosport. They really are a top of the line pad.

 

You are easy on pads. They should cause no problem, but have them looked at now & again.

 

That is really odd. We use EBC pads on every brake job we do here at the shop and that is a couple every week. I've never seen that happen.
Where you running it hard when they came apart? Looks like that one pad was worn down a bit.
Be careful with the Carbotechs as the rivets will dig into the rotor if you let it get too thin.

 

Checking back in:
Greens on my R53 are OK after taking a look. yay :beer

 

The photo is of my pads - I did not take my car to MOTD this year. Those pads and rotors went on 2 years ago and have been through 2 trips to MOTD. However not this year. I was waiting on the pads from Brakeman which came after the MOTD so I replaced them when I got back.

They were fine for the two previous MOTD runs and daily driving, however I delayed replacing them in January because I typically replace them before MOTD.

The point is - check your brakes and stay safe.

 

Thanks for filling us in.

 

Just to jump in, EBC has a disclaimer that REDS are NOT for TRACK use. Of course then the question is how far can you push them. My track days are quite mild compared to others and quite infrequent (1-2) times per year. Based on what I've read and been told this is indeed a very strange situation. To make it worse, I have a full set of EBC Reds ready to install. I thinking I'll go ahead on with the project and just pay attention....

Dave. O, sorry you've had this problem and appreciate the heads up so we know of a potential problem.

Kent

 

back in the early 90s, ferodo had the same problem with their motocycle brake pads

i had a set come apart resulting in a locked front wheel, fortunately it was at the end of a very fast run on hwy 1 in california as i pulled up to a gas pump ... i still get the shakes thinking about what could have happened if they had failed 15 minutes earlier

scott

 

Good point Kent....
I wonder if portions of the Dragon are similar or approaching track conditions...

I have street driven EBC red's with no issues.... Love them...

 

The ones I had put up just fine with aggressive regular track use.

None-the-less the news is a bit disturbing. While I no longer have a MINI I was considering EBC Yellows for the Mustang... Perhaps I'll give Hawk another shake instead.

 

There's just soooo many variables at play here....

I agree, they should NEVER separate... NO MATTER WHAT.

But, when trying to diagnose a failure and figure out what conditions, if any, may have contributed, and whether that means you're more or less likely to see a similar failure on your own car, it's pretty maddening.

Fact: The Dragon eats R53 front pads. I've seen OEM front pads literally BURN, with smoke billowing out from the wheel wells.

Is that a significant contributing factor? Perhaps.
Carbotech rivets their pads for a reason... I don't know what their testing showed, with various bonding techniques, etc.

I know I heated my R56 front Red Stuffs up enough to make a nice odor on Wayah and some other hard descents on Friday, but no smoke.

 

Interesting picture. Isolated case or not remains to be seen.

I've been using Zimmerman rotors and Red Stuff for a couple of years now. Track days and normal hard driving. No issues other than they have to be replaced every year with the Motul brake fluid.

 

Firstly Carbotech bonds and rivets there pads!!! They do both to add in a safety factor, by doing both if the bonding or rivet fail your pad will not delaminate. Second you can have your pads specced with brass rivets that will not hurt rotor if one is to use them that far.

As for ebc the are a motor cycle brake company that wants a market share in autos. The have a huge marketing buget and people fall vitum to it. EBC use very simoler compounds in both applications which I find unsettling.

 

I am spelting challenged for a reason:drool