Engine Drivetrain 2nd Gen S Scoops with Heatshields Feedback?

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  1. Way Motor Works

    Way Motor Works New Member

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    We've been using and selling many different turbo heatshields for awhile now. So now I'd like to hear from YOU. So if you have bought a turbo heatshield such as the M7, NM titanium, or our WMW wrap I want you to post in this thread. But rather than this being just another thread on scoops melting please ONLY POST IF YOU HAVE A HEATSHIELD. Please post the following:

    1. year of your car
    2 What heatshield you have
    3 How many miles you've had it on your car
    4 How long you've had it on your car
    5 Has your hoodscoop melted since install????


    Please lets keep this to data only, rather than a long discussion that goes nowhere. I'm going to post this a couple other places just to get more data. This way we will actually know how effective each heatshield is
     
  2. CHKMINI

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    How's that for following instructions?
     
  3. Tron Chief

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    No.

    (Side Note) Most of my driving has been in heats up to 120 outside air temps during the summer. All of my openings in the scoop grill were opened at the time of the M7 Shield installation.
     
  4. lotsie

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    Very slight warp

    We also installed the MINI FINI stainless steel grill this summer.

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  5. 10Zero

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    Additional note: On the underside of the heat shield, I've added a self adhesive DEI Reflect-a-Cool material which I personally think dropped the scoop temperature even more, at least a difference I can notice. Reflect-A-Cool | Design Engineering, Inc.
     
  6. ZugZugMcD

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    1. year of your car
    2009 (23 month old now)
    2 What heatshield you have
    M7
    3 How many miles you've had it on your car
    ~35,000
    4 How long you've had it on your car
    17 months
    5 Has your hoodscoop melted since install????
    No melting
     
  7. paulsminis

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    4 Since you installed in at Dragon...2008
    5 Absolutely not
     
  8. Sideways

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    I'm not gonna follow instructions...but a buddy of mine has the M7 on his 2008 Cooper S Clubby with JCW tuning kit. All was well until he installed some hood stripes...within a few weeks the stripes startedto discolour. The heat from the turbo seems to be pooling on the outside right of the M7 heat shield and cooking his stripes...
    His scoop is perfectly fine though.
     
  9. cop1406

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  10. Dwight

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    Note: CF JCW Scoop, no grill.
     
  11. TGS91

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  12. jdsMni

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  13. GreyLens

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    1. year of your car
    2009 JCW

    2 What heatshield you have
    NM Shield

    3 How many miles you've had it on your car
    15,000+
    4 How long you've had it on your car
    8 months
    5 Has your hoodscoop melted since install????
    No melting but I'm usually careful to open the bonnet after a track session and autocross runs.

    I've recently ceramic coated the exhaust manifold and down pipe and put the WMW Turbo Wrap on.
     
  14. Netma1000

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    #14 Netma1000, Dec 14, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2010
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    scoop melted and was replaced with another stock scoop

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    now @36000
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    stock scoop has just stated to warp again, but now out of warranty. Replaced it with M7 Vortex. I am not feeling the heat I felt before.
     
  15. ZugZugMcD

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    A Service Advisor recommended that I remove the heat shield because it's bad for the turbo. I chose to ignore him.
     
  16. BRG_Paul

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    #16 BRG_Paul, Jan 31, 2012
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2012
    2008 MCS.
    Experience: short term testing with an instrumented car.

    I have installed both an M7 heat shield and also one from NM Engineering (MINI Mania). I also installed thermocouple instrumentation on the compressor section of the turbocharger and on the underside of the hood below the scoop. Made many test runs with both shields under several operating conditions. Took lots of data (used a data logger) plotted the results. Both heat shields caused the turbo to run hotter and did not really help the underside of the hoodscoop either. These two "shields" insulate the turbo and are really only meant to facilitate induction of cool air into an open style CAI...and do not benefit the scoop at all. (contrary to one company's claim, insulating the turbo does not make it more efficient...that is just pure BS) I will never install one permanently on my car, either one will absolutely shorten the life of the turbocharger. I can post the results if anyone is interested. By the way.. WMW ...MINI is now installing a shield similar to yours that fits under the scoop. I logged data on that too. Well. It's a little better than no shield but I was not satisfied so I made my own. It does not insulate the turbo so it will mot overheat. I haven't made the test runs yet but the hood is cool to the touch. Oh, and another bit of info.... The hood is hottest about 5 minutes AFTER the car is shut down.

    This is what a turbomachinery engineer does for fun...

    Oh and if you have a CF scoop it is a thermoSET not a thermoPLASTIC. Thermoset does not melt or soften with excess heat. Standard scoop is thermoplastic so it does soften/sag.

    [Edited to add PDF of heat shield / hoodscoop temp data]
     

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  17. Mr. Toad

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    1. 2011 JCW Clubman
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    3. 10,500 Miles (since new)
    4. 8 months
    5. No

    Note - I installed a JCW CF scoop at the same time as the heat shield.
     
  18. Jason Montague

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    1. 08 R56 MCS/JCWm BRG
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    5.no warping,zero zip nada nyet
    I drilled out all of the holes at 15kmi and covered the scoop in black and white checkerboard

    Jason
     

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