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My "lesson" in VA was much less expensive - 81 in a 70 was $250 for the lawyer (who negotiated the offense down to Faulty Equipment) and $250 for the fine (which is based on what you were originally charged with - NOT what you eventually were convicted of or pled guilty to)

 

Last November I was on the way to the cemetery for my Mom's graveside ceremony. I wasn't paying attention when I transitioned from 55 zone to 45. Trooper pulled me for 62 in a 45. I explained where I was going and I was late and fessed up that I was indeed at fault for not paying attention. He cut me some slack and wrote me up for disobeying a traffic sign instead of a speeding ticket. He said "this way it is only a $30 fine". I told him thanks and went on my way.
A week later when I payed the ticket online the total cost for the $30 ticket was $190 and change after including court cost and other misc charges.
There ain't no such thing as a cheap ticket any more. Just cheaper.

 

Yup but it all depends on where you are in VA. Be very carefully if you are on 81 North or South within 20 of Roanoke.

 

It seems that you really didn't give much thought to what I wrote or really understand what I had to say. Instead you interpreted my statement to an almost comical extreme. Hyperbole is not the way to have a civil discussion.

I commented only on unfair and stupid speed limits, not rules of the road.

Engineering studies have shown that the safest speed limit is the speed at which 85% of free flowing traffic moves on any particular road, this is not an expensive thing to calculate. Instead, governments set speed limits so as to maximize revenue from fines, with no regard to safety. Studies have also shown that unrealistically low speed limits encourage an unsafe differential in the speed at which traffic is flowing. Setting speed limits at the 85th percentile helps by raising speed limits to a reasonable rate and makes roads safer to travel.

Espousing civil disobedience in a public forum is the American way, it is one way we Americans have changed unfair laws since the days of the county's founding fathers.

I am all about safety and the efficient movement of traffic, but bad laws are bad laws and I will continue to ignore them, fight them in court and through the National Motorists Association.

Dave

 

You can speed all you want, you just have to be able to afford it. I am familiar with your part of the country dnepr and can say that there are indeed studies that are done to set speed limits. Do you have to agree with those decisions......no. But you do have to pay for those decisions.

 

I've had two speeding tickets in the last ten years, I beat one of them in court. It doesn't cost me much to stick by my principles.

Dave

 

Minidave in 2016!

 

Who is calling anyone names? Not me.

I don't have to do engineering studies, they have already been done and I've read them.

You don't seem to think that people can exercise self control, without a specific law, so sad.

I ignore speed laws that are proven to be bad, by studies that I have read. Sure, it's a judgment call but what isn't?

If you haven't looked at the National Motorists Association site you should, it'll open your eyes.

Dave

 

Wanna know how to eliminate speed traps?

If no one sped thru them it would no longer be financially or politically viable for them to exist. :idea:

If Goober and Barney sat there all day waiting for a speeder and no one did, eventually it would go away.

Same thing with drunk driver check points - if no one drank and drove, there would be no justification for them.

I know these are utopian ideals, but just think how much money could be saved by demilitarizing our police forces and eliminating speed traps everywhere. Of course, the resulting drop in revenue would be a problem too as so many cities count on them.

Since you all are into the math, ever do the sums to see how much time you save tearing around town breaking the law vs just relaxing and cruising along at or near the speed limit? it amounts to nothing.

So the only justification you can offer besides the laughable "bad laws" defense is that you wanna......DDave says I think people can't exercise self control with out a law - I never said anything of the sort, if anything I'm campaigning for the opposite, for people like him and Dave O to exercise self control and not decide that the laws don't apply to them.

And that's my point - trying to justify speeding is laughable unless it's an absolute emergency, and even then the time saved is so miniscule as to hardly warrant the extra danger imposed by the speed differential DDave mentions. So quote whomever you want, the truth is like Dave O says, you do it because you want to and you think you're entitled, nothing else.

I feel the same way about police screaming thru town - it's ridiculous. Which is more dangerous, the guy doing 5 over the limit or the cop car going 100+ to catch up to him?

 

I am not getting all worked up......I'm trying to have a discussion based on the original topic posted and the comments made by others.....and while I know I'm espousing a contrary view, I think my point of view should have as much respect as the others.

I think the times that you could drive 90 in a 55 without endangering others or yourself are limited to pretty much nil and none.......

 

We can agree to disagree. We will never see eye to eye on this issue.

 

Yes I do & now the city of Brice is doing the same thing. :crazy:

 

Ugh.