1st Gen R53 Cooper S Starting Issues, gremlin junk.

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  1. Firebro17

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    Plug the plug from radiator cooling fan See if that helps because I had something similar happen, traced it to the wiring to fan . With a rally next day I wired in a manual switch. Bingo no issues
     
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    #43 Boxman, Aug 24, 2015
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    I'll check that out, because it's becoming desperation.
    Hate to admit it, but I'm awfully stubborn with cars.
    Tried starting the car this morning, sat for about 3 minutes before it decided to crank and turn over. :confused:

    Also asked AP Tuning about reprogramming the BCM, said they wouldn't do it. So much for that :lol:
     
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    my problem was click click no start, with the ignition on the tacho and warning lights went nuts, the right side turn signal stayed on , the wipers moved deathly slow and the cooling fan ran really slow. I did a lot checking before finding out the wiring to the plug was bad. The fan was fine because I swapped it. Took me 4 hours to find the problem. Then I took the power line to the fan and ran it through a 50amp manual switch. Been find ever since.
     
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    #45 Boxman, Aug 26, 2015
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    Another update:

    It's been pretty bad weather and I've been so overly busy with my newborn (well not yet) child on the way in a couple of days, and the problem is getting progressively worse it seems.

    Hopped in the car, tried to start 'er for a solid 10 minute and finally got her to crank.
    She ran like crap when she was idled... Weird part though? No airbag light, radio worked fine, no problems other than the rough idle?

    And my car's key is absolutely beat at this point from all the constant twisting and hard grips...
    Oh, and had to rip out the windshield wiper fuse because THAT was a PIA having the windshield wipers flop around every time the car started.

    If one good thing could just happen for me, I'd be so glad. :(
    I'll be ripping up wires all weekend, so here's to hoping.
    Or, it could just be that my key fob is completely ruined and needs to be replaced, causing the immobilizer to kick in with my luck. [Not even sure if the 04's had immobilizers..]
    But nothing is ever that easy :lol:
     
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    do you have a code scanner attached when starting/driving? I didn't see any mention of that in the entire thread.
     
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    Key fob......hmmmmm. Hadn't thought about that....have you checked the battery in it too?
     
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    I did, diagnosed which ABS sensor was causing me issues a month back but that's the only thing that showed. Not even a single stored code either, so nothing's a-miss there. Sorry, should've mentioned that I guess :aureola:

    It was a thought. Not sure though. I haven't checked the battery because I'm afraid of breaking the casing and I don't have a spare, so that'd be a bad time. The key is VERY beat up, scratched, and the buttons are more or less disintegrated. Buttons on the key don't work, doesn't lock/unlock the car and even after an attempt to reprogram, nothing. Called the dealership, they're searching for the other key and if they find it, they'll let me know.


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    This morning, it didn't want to start again for 10-13 minutes. Constant key turning & many clutch smashing/frustrations later, and on the 90th try, it started like there was nothing wrong after a quick switch of the ignition. :mad2:

    It seems as if my car sits for more than 8 hours (overnight for example) without being started, it refuses to turn over at all for easily 10 minutes.
    If I've got her started and drove her around a bit, car starts a little quicker.

    Another thought was maybe my starter solenoid was shot but I can't even get to said starter with being as busy as I've been trying to get ready for my fiancee to give birth and all, and being on-call at work all the time. :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:
     
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    Also, found some info on the immobilizer...
    It's as follows:

    Key identification and start procedure
    The transponder in the key is powered via the loop antenna and sends the key data to the EWS3
    control unit.
    The EWS3 control unit then checks the key data to ensure it is correct and only then sends an enable
    signal to the engine management system and starter.
    After the engine has started, the EWS3 control unit generates new key data (change code) and
    transfers them to the transponder in the key.
    _______

    From what it seems like I read, if the key is unable to match the code generated from the EWS, it won't activate the starter. That means no crank, no spark.
    However, when the key matches the code, the EWS will send back a code it'll store temporarily (within a limited amount of time) that'll send the signal to the starter on start up. Which would make sense since I can never start her in the morning but almost all the time after that give or take 10-15 seconds.

    Am I reading this correctly or am I just grasping at straws? :lol:
     
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    Make sure the electrical connections on the starter are tight and check the switch on the clutch master cylinder.
     
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    Yeah, I haven't exactly been able to get the car jacked up or checked out in the last couple of days. Unfortunately, work has kept me very busy. Along side with, like I said, pregnancy things :lol:

    It's so hard finding time... but this weekend should be a go.
     
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    [ame="http://youtu.be/ypOKZOXlyAw"]04 Mini Cooper S starting problem. - YouTube[/ame]

    Sorry it took such a long time to post a video. But the general idea is in the video, but in the morning, it takes 25 minutes easy still.

    Really sorry about so many double posts. Just trying to solve this.
     
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    Did you get a chance to check all the ground connections under the carpets? 2 each side of the front seats and 1 each side of the hatch area. these grounds are for a lot of stuff. When I ripped out my carpets I found a small pond of water under each carpet.
     
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    Well... I've been sitting in the hospital for the last 12 hours, so nope. Didn't get the chance. Did check the wires under the hood though where you suggested, and I found a blown fuse for the cigarette lighter... But that was it :lol:

    My girly girl is 9 1/2cm dilated, so we're kind of waiting here in the hospital. I'll check later. Found out that the airbag light dims/brightens when I adjust the steering wheel column which I found weird though.
     
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    I hope you have a new bundle of joy soon!
     
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    I suppose a new baby on the way is a good reason not to be working on the Mini..LOL only just....
     
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    Its a close second:D
     
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    Well! We had a healthy boy and now it's time to get the mini running this week.

    I'm going to give the ignition switch a go if I can't find a corroded wire or ground, check the steering wheel column for any damaged wires, and check the airbag module underneath the seat for water damage. Gonna rip the carpet up too while I'm at it.

    Oh, and my headliner is getting replaced by myself this week while doing the ignition switch because whilst putting in the baby seat, I may or may not have torn it. I'll check my A pillar for any water being held along side with the sunroof's seals for leakage.

    :) I'be started pop starting the car regularly unfortunately, which needs to stop.
     
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    Congrats to both! a boy can help work on the Mini.
     
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    Thanks!
    I plan on it :devil::devil::devil:
     

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