Engine Drivetrain 2nd Gen S Most liked posts in thread: Stock MCS turbo working hard vs. JCW turbo hardly working

Allow me to give the play by play here.... Unless I missed it, no one here has said "MCS/JCW will give you cooler intake manifold temperatures, and thus less wear on your car in theory."

Jason said "get a better intercooler" to which I mentioned already having in my initial post.
Jason said "want more air get a better turbo" to which I never asked about. I asked about the same amount of air/CFMs, thus same torque, but what was the safer/better way to get there.
Jason also mentioned getting better injectors, which does not apply to the R56 for all levels of power that have been mentioned in this thread from what I've read.


Dave.0 states his usual, but doesn't say why the OEM turbo is better for the scenario I proposed.

DneprDave says he's an engineering type, but adds the equivalent of nodding his head.

Jason pats himself on the back for answering questions that weren't asked.

Dave.0 references a thread that while related, was not asking the same questions:

RMW Thread I posted: "~Can~ a JCW turbo be tuned on an R56?"
This thread I posted: "I'm confident what turbo can be tuned, now what's a safe level of torque, and what is the best way to get there when comparing one turbo to the other?"

And while RMW folks are knowledgeable, I'd be a fool to put all my eggs in one basket and not collect other's opinions. I went through the whole process of sorting tuners in the EVO world and those that post verifiable results. I've done my homework in the MINI world and it's my opinion that the JCW can be tune successfully on an R56 N14 with the correct tuner. The verdict on the hybrid is still out as I haven't seen anyone prove it (though some promise they can, I don't believe it yet).

I am personally past the question of whether it can be done (JCW on MCS for the N14) and if you don't have the same opinion based of what you've read, that's fine. If you'd like to contribute further to the thread please answer the questions posed in my first post. If you don't honestly know, that's fine too, I obviously don't either and that's why I'm asking.

It's fine if u guys high-five each other on every forum, but I have specific questions and I'd like details if you have them. I appreciate the advice you've given on suspension/wheels/brakes and I've followed the majority of it, but I just don't get very much from you guys in these threads specific to the R56. My car is a 2007 R56 N14. I thought that was understood from all the excessive posting I've done with my short time on planet-MINI. My apologies.

 

Ironic how everyone on this thread has modified their stock MINI designed by BMW / MINI engineers. But yeah, it was a theoretical question and of course if I had access to BMW / MINI engineers I would of been at their doorstep already but all I have are a bunch of opinionated (myself included) enthusiasts, so I do the best I can. :biggrin5:

(@Jason I appreciate the info you just posted on your IC results, but it's not in the scope of what I was asking. I'll definitely have an IC when Helix gets around to announcing their group buy :beer)

I asked:
- What is the "safe" level of torque? ...figuring folks who have been around would know for the R56.
- What's the safest way to get there comparing one turbo to another? (provided I'm personally confident they can be successfully tuned, which others hold differing opinions on.)

I never asked for details on "how to get the most power out of an R56 with an overly aggressive tune." I'm not frustrated with anyone contradicting, my boss is just slightly frustrated with all the time I've spent here while I'm supposed to be working with nothing to show for it. :biggrin5: And if folks don't want to answer a theoretical question, we're at an impasse, and that's fine. I appreciate the help where I can get it and I'll try to be even more specific in my question(s) next time. . :mad2:

I don't want anyone else to have to vent to atmosphere so I'll try on another forum. If present company find it there is of course no obligation to reply, but I hope everyone has been entertained, informed, or at least pulled away from work at least a bit here. :lol:

 

Battle Tuning (US rep of DNA tuning in the UK) has a group buy ending on another website by the end of the month. FYI.

 

I spoke to Imran over the phone, they still actively tune these if folks are interested. I have not made any decision. Both Evolve and DNA / Battle tuning state they can tune a JCW turbo on an MCS. Just a question of how far you'd like to push it with the engine.

 

From reading their group buy thread there were folks with JCWs in their signatures commenting/asking questions and Battle Tuning replying... so not sure the N14 JCW is out.

 

Nathan admits he's not up to snuff on R56 and I'm not an authority either, but you can certainly reach out to these companies and speak with them. Call around, see what they tell you. Either way, I still need to make my decision but seems like there are options from mild to wild (though the wild end hasn't been proven from what I've been able to find yet) depending on your tolerance for making our cars a potential boat anchor. :biggrin5: