Engine Drivetrain 2nd Gen S Most liked posts in thread: Stock MCS turbo working hard vs. JCW turbo hardly working

My R53 is bullet proof and runs circles around the R56. It makes MUCH more Power than an R56 and 200 TQ does me very well.

DI injection done wrong by MINI is not a defect I have to deal with. I like my walnuts with a cold beer. :beer

 

We're not talking stock, we're talking what you can do with the engine. How many R56 are making 300WHP? How many R53's? THAT'S what we're getting at. Sorry, but you are not getting anywhere NEAR the performance of a 300HP hot hatch--think Focus RS--it's not even close, not even the same universe. And you are talking BHP, we are talking WHP, which is another 15% difference. Heck, there are a bazillion R53's making 250HP,--at the wheels, and doing it reliably. Only a few R56's. THAT is criminal IMHO.


The power increase between the MCS and JCW is much less than everyone hoped. Between the JCW and the GP, much, much less. BMW acknowledges this by saying it's all about handling. It is to a degree, but the power has been disappointing, and they know it. It will be addressed in a big way with the Catfish (F56).

As for Peugeot increasing output, how do you think they did it? I never said it wasn't doable, only that it wasn't doable reliably without a significant improvement in the internals, which BMW wasn't willing to do secondary to cost. The Prince, in MINI guise, is close to maxed out.

If you're satisfied with the outputs of the F56, that's great, but for the life of me I can't understand why you can't see where we're coming from, even if you don't agree with it. I'm sorry, but the Prince has been a disappointment, and in more ways than one.

 

What did Peugeot do to crank out more from the engine?

 

And the results are? And with what mods?

Granted, the UK is ahead of the U.S. in the mod department, I'll give you that, but the results here simply aren't there yet on this side of the pond.

The flip side is, the R56 is so far behind, I wonder wether it's even worth it for a tuner to mess with it anymore, it's been a headache for them--at least over here, or move on to the F56, if that one is more ECU friendly (which is doubtful). They can tune R53's in their sleep, but there are fewer of them each day. Kind of tough gig for a tuner at the moment.

 

The results is the performance and feedback of the uk challenge cars working well unlike in previous seasons...

Like I said, tuned a MCS with a hybrid from 156whp to 210whp with 15/16 psi boost level. Also quite a few customers on NAM running DNA tunes that are extremely happy with the map compared to previous attempts by other companies.

Next week he's tuning a fully forged R56 with cat cams and a large turbo with an aggressive tune so that will be very interesting.

He's also tuned my R56 to 200whp/230wtq and it's fantastic. Perfect flat boost curve and linear throttle map. If I want the map changed I email him and he sends a tweaked map.

 

It's fine around town, it's a beast on the track. You can't have it both ways, you have to compromise somewhere, I compromised on streetability. It's still "fun" on the street; I just live in a higher RPM range, which in and of itself is fun, although not a relaxing way to drive.

As for cost, you could do it 4.5k (including injectors), cheaper if you get some of the list used. That will get you to 250. But there is no point in doing just that--brakes and suspension are part of an entire package, also IC, roll at, etc. so it adds up. I've always prioritized driving skills first (I'm much better than when I started, but nowhere near as good as many others, but watching lap times go down is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on), suspension/brakes second, power third.

 

Currently at 6,5 but the engine shows it could rev past 7 easily.

My track oriented boost curve:

BHP



WHP



Boost and AFR:

 

You always have to give something in return in order to avoid the wife's moaning :lol:

That's what I've been doing all along with mine. Plus, I gave her three children to take care of so she wouldn't notice the differences. :lol:

 

:cornut: thepenl I'm happy that you're having so much fun with your R56. I too love my R56 MINI Margi (08 R56 MCS/JCWm) and have great fun with her. MINI on thepenl, MINI on....................and we R56 people are especially glad that you're here.

Jason

 

The upgraded wedding ring thing, and anniversary bands....

It's God's gift to man. Otherwise I'd still be stock and suffering miserably.

 

Bster13 I saw this same thread over on the RMW site and I would suggest you take Jan and Colin advice.

 

^^^ I respect that but you are getting excellent advice on RMW from the people who know and have tested this already. I am not just talking about Jan and Colin, lots of other guys on the RMW site are very knowledgeable also.

Just so you know some other :tuners" are just speculating to get a customers money and do not know the true results because they have never done it or at least done it successfully with proven & documented results.

 

These Howerton meth kits seem daunting to install and configure, it's way over my understanding! If someone knowledgeable could install this for the user that's a different story.

 

What part of the country are you in? Helix in Philly will install it for you and I know Colin in Cali will do and has done many of them also.

 

RMW is in SoCal and so is Colin. I am sure he can help you out or do the Meth kit install for you.

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