My left arm is currently calibrated correctly, but my right arm is always 12-32 oz light unless there is a fresh beer available.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
That depends, since your title mentions two different things.
If you mean a strut tower brace, the thing that bolts to the top of the strut towers with a bar that runs between them, it's one of the easiest things you can do. Remove 6 nuts, install the brace, put the bolts back on and torque correctly, done. Some bars are adjustable to allow you to pre-load, which is another simple step done after it's installed, but instructions that come with the bar should explain how you do that.
A sway bar is at least a couple more notches up on both the level of effort and mechanical ability meters. Still possible as a DIY but quite a bit more effort. Are you talking about front, rear, or both? -
Right now I'm looking at the JCW strut brace that goes across the 2 strut towers in the front.
I'm looking to get a bit more stiffness and less body roll in the twists, and I'm hoping the strut brace will help.
Do you know what difference exists between a strut brace and a non-adjustable sway bar in the front?
I'll be doing the rear later on. -
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From what I have seen I would recommend an MN strut brace over the JCW. It is DIY-able. The car does not have to be lifted. Be careful tightening down the nuts. Too much torque will snap the studs on the strut.
Best bang for the buck IMHO is a rear swaybar. It being DIY-able depends on your skill level. Yes the car needs to be lifted for the install.
I buy all my MINI parts from Aaron at Outmotoring. Great guy to deal with...
NM Engineering mini cooper clubman upper stress bar
http://www.outmotoring.com/mini-cooper/nm_engineering_mini_cooper_clubman_swaybar.html -
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Strut bar does help, a lot of folks say it is cosmetic, I believe it helps if your are somewhat aggressive in the twisties. Simple to install, as noted.
I would not mess with the front sway bar, get a 3 hole adjustable 19mm rear bar for your MINI. Install is DIY, I would suggest a lift or at least 4 jack stands if you have them.
Run your bar in the middle until you figure out how much rotation you can control in aggressive corners or if you AutoX.
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Way Motor Works New Member
The front strut tower brace is really an easy DIY, if you can't do that don't consider other work on your car. I suggest the new NM brace for the 2011, it has been changed slightly for the 2011.
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I picked up a Strut tower brace this weekend from another owner.
Two questions:
1. I don't want to snap the stud. What is the appropriate torque for the nuts?
2. It looks as though the thickness of the bracket on the brace will cause the nut not to have full thread engagement. I was considering switching to a different nut that did not have the captive flange and just use a thinner steel washer. Anyone have a comment in this? -
Crashton Club Coordinator
The NM strut bar comes with different bolts so you get proper engagement. Maybe you did not get those from the seller.
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
I don't think replacing the studs is an option. I believe they're attached to the strut top mount plate.
For the torque specs we need someone to jump in here who has a second gen Bentley manual. -
Its 25foot pounds on the R53 and you need the proper nuts if it is like the JCW SB.
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Jason Montague New MemberLifetime Supporter
:cornut: With only the front strut tower brace, I didn't notice that much difference. However, when I added the rear strut tower brace, things really tightened up. The purests would jump all over me for calling it that. "It's not any where near the rear strut tower. It's a rear body brace." Yeah okay, whatever.
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Warning this contains a SWAG
As far as torque goes I did not use a a torque wrench for those. After years of wrenching one can feel it. If you feel you need to torque those then use a torque wrench thos studs will break easily. It is not much torque. My Guess is maybe 15# or so. Use that spec at your own peril. -
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OK.... Here ya go....
The OEM M8 collar nuts to the stock upper strut bearing studs..... According to Bentley.....34Nm or 25 ft-lb...... -
....so I like to use a torque wrench ....which is calibrated.
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Crashton Club Coordinator
I use a torque wrench where needed. My elbow while calibrated 10 pounds light has served me well. over the years.... :beer
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Steve AdministratorStaff Member Articles Moderator
I had a strut brace on my MC years ago. When I installed it I used a torque wrench and followed their specified torque settings exactly.....and snapped off a stud putting on the first nut.
I called the company (who I won't name). The owner was concerned and after looking into it called me back right away to say they accidentally reversed the math when they converted Nm to ft-lb for the instruction sheet. To their credit, they repaired the damage without complaint. We both learned a valuable lesson.....and I bought a Bentley Manual.
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