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  1. agranger

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    From the 2009 run:

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    And one from 2006, from when I went mud bogging in an MCS (who needs a Countryman! :D ) when I pulled over to let some cars at the back of the caravan catch up.

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  2. dawnmac72

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    Sounds like a great drive but I have a 9am appt with Way and co. to get my first mods (SO EXCITED!!!!) and I'm working registration that morning as well. Look forward to seeing photos, though!
     
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    The ride to do if your only doing one.:Thumbsup:


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    Just don't get stuck behind a tour bus.:mad2::mad5:
     
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    Looking forward to the drive. I actually took the last spot by adding my dad to the list, who just registered for MOTD!
     
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    I think I signed us up as only taking one MINI. I might need to change that :D
     
  6. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    I registered for MOTD a few minutes after the online option opened up.

    Registered myself and Robert...then IMMEDIATELY went over and registered for Aaron's run. Can't wait!:Thumbsup:
     
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    I think there is a flaw in that registration as it counts people and not cars. If all cars have 2 people and they both registered that would be 60 people and 30 cars yet the event would show as full. Barry needs to ID those that added passengers, remove said passengers from the list and make sure the registration notes state to only add the drivers name.
     
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    "The maximum number of people allowed on this drive is 60. There are currently 60 people signed up for the drive with 39 MINIs attending."

    That's straight from the site. Perhaps I'm confused as to what you're talking about?
     
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    There are 3 groups of 20 cars each for the drive. Hence 60 cars in total, however the registration counts people not cars.

    Since it full at 60 people with 39 cars there is really room for 21 more cars.

    What was not taken into account is how many people per car. In my view the registration should have said:

    The maximum number of MINIs allowed on this drive is 60. Only the driver should register.

    Barry counted people, not cars, for this drive. So...when you sign up and add 1 or 2 passengers you are removing the ability for other drivers to sign up since the real count of cars is not taken in consideration.

    If you look at the list you will entries such as SNEEEZY - Erika, SNEEEZY - Robert. (not picking on you Erika, you were just first on the list). I am 99% confident that both Erika and Robert will be in one car, but they take up 2 slots. That keeps another car of the 60 possible from attending.

    To reinforce my point, T8rChick and ArmaDiddo I know will be in one car, yet take up 2 spots on the list.

    So with 60 People and 39 MINI we see that there are passengers registered when only drivers should have registered.
     
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    Why do they have a limit anyway?? We've had, at THMMC, over 60 Minis (more people) run in row, together, the full length of the Blue Ridge Parkway during our annual BRPT....
     
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    Maybe I missed it somewhere on the MOTD site, because I saw no mention until recently about 3 groups of 20 cars each. All that's on the site - which is what I went by - is it's a "spirited" drive, max of 60 people. Anything beyond that wasn't in place when I signed up. Matter of fact, I thought I remembered seeing a max of 30 initially.

    No matter, we're signed up :)
     
  12. agranger

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    #13 agranger, Jan 26, 2011
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    Thanks all... We started out strangely but things are working correctly on the registration website (+ or - a few percent).

    Initially, we were hoping to limit the # of cars to around 30 CARS. The limit was set to 30, but as was noted above, the website started counting people instead of cars. I contacted Barry on day #2 of registration and he asked his web guru to fix for us. Given the overwhelming response, we also increased the total # of cars allowed.

    I used the ratio of people to cars that had registered in the first few days to estimate that 60 people would equal about 40 cars (so the web guru wouldn't have to change his/her logic) and got it pretty close... We upped the # of people allowed to 60 and we have hit a capacity of 39 cars attending, so technically we have room for 1 more car.

    If you REALLY want to do the drive and didn't make it on the list, send me a PM and I'll start a back-up list... plans frequently change and I'll be happy to work something out if I get a large response... maybe even finding more leaders among us to have more groups.


    There are lots of different reasons for a driving event. If the purpose is to experience a large number of MINIs in one place, in one long line, having no limit makes sense... the purpose of these drives is to get a lot of MINIs in one place and to enjoy that experience, so it gets better with more cars... the bigger the better. MOTD has these types of events (the Dragon Parade, for example) and they are lots of fun. These types of events are much better and more fun when the route is simple and there are few traffic control devices or when there are long stretches of passing lanes so that other traffic can pass or be passed by the caravan.

    The purpose of this particular drive is #1: great drive and #2: great scenery. The route for this drive isn't horribly complicated (10-15 turns with mileages clearly marked), but previous experience on this route has shown that having more than 10-15 cars in a group can cause issues and dampen the fun... The leaders have to spend more and more time bringing the herd together (why I went mud bogging the first year) and dealing with non-MINIs who get into the middle of the line and separate the group (if everyone didn't make it through on the same green light signal at a traffic light, for example).

    Given the purpose of this drive, the road conditions and the combined knowledge of 4 years of experience leading this drive, we know that we need to restrict the groups to 10-15 cars. With 3 group leaders ready, this gives us a total of around 40 cars.
     
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    PM sent...:cryin:
     
  14. SNEEEZY - Erika

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    No offense taken since I know none was intended.

    As I posted earlier, as soon as I registered myself & Robert, I made a beeline to the Sunrise run to sign-up; I didn't want to miss out on it again. :D

    But yes, the registration IS skewed since it is counting seats vs. MINIs. However, I suppose the restaurant does have a seating capacity that needs to be kept in mind...
     
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    I keep trying for that second MINI! Then we could be like MISHKA and CATTERFLY!
     
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    Keep trying!:Thumbsup:

    BTW, we may end up just taking one MINI, but won't know until we get some installs scheduled. That could open up a slot for another person to join the fun.
     
  17. agranger

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    :nod: I can't wait for this!
     
  20. agranger

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    #21 agranger, Apr 11, 2011
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    Howdy all!

    I'm just checking in to remind all registered participants of the drive and the early start time (6am). :D

    The Schedule:

    We will start the morning with a very brief driver's talk, focused mainly on the topic of 'downshifting', either in a manual or an automatic (see below). We will then split up into 2 or 3 drive groups (depending on the speed each driver wishes to take) and head out.

    We will make 1 stop along the Foothills Parkway (about 45 min into the drive), 1 stop for gas/food/bathrooms about 30 min after that and then we MIGHT stop once more on the way out of the Smoky mountains for a quick photo opportunity (at the leader's discression based on timing, weather & other factors).

    The Saturday drive will be a bit more pressed for time... I promised Snooter (Barry) that we would do everything that we can to be back in time for the panoramic pic. It's going to be tight, but if we don't dawdle, we can make it with no problem. On Saturday, we will be leaving VERY PROMPTLY at 6:05am, so please be there a bit before 6am to get your map packet

    Being Prepared:

    What do I need to bring, you might ask? Here are some ideas:

    • Enough gas to drive ~60 miles. We will stop at a gas station (It was a BP the last time I was there)
    • Snacks/Beverages: The gas stop has a grocery store (larger than a Quick-E-Mart but smaller than a Kroger/Safeway). They make a good sausage biscuit at the Deli counter.
    • An empty bladder: It's gonna be an hour and a half until the gas/food stop. I recommend against 3 cups of coffee. It will also be 2-3 hours after the food stop before the next decent bathroom, so I recommend against getting the Super Big Gulp with your biscuit!
    • A FRS Radio: It's nice to be able to hear instructions from the drive leader. We will be using a channel with no sub-channel (sub=0), so even the cheapest of the cheapie radios will work. If you need help setting it, find me before the drive in my all Pepper White MINI and I'd be happy to help get you set correctly.
    • The maps are better if you have 'em in color. I'll be bringing a handful of black and white print-outs if you don't have access to be able to print 'em, but if you have access to a color printer, you might enjoy the download here: http://www.minisonthedragon.com/files/Sunrise_Smoky_Mountain_Drive_2011.pdf

    I'll be in the lead car of the first group, but will have a full-sized spare tire, a compressor w/ Slime and a patch kit, a handfull of tools and a first-aid kit. If you need any of the items, please let me know. I'm happy to share.

    Downshifting 101:

    Many folks who learned how to drive in flatter areas of the country have never learned about long mountain decents. As you are driving down a long, steep road, only using your brakes to control your speed will cause you lots of problems. If you are constantly using your brakes for 30 minutes (or 3 minutes, for that matter), the heat will build up in your brakes, boiling your brake fluid. This will cause your brake pedal to feel very mushy and will prevent you from being able to apply enough force to your brakes to stop the car when you really need to! You can spot drivers who have this problem with your nose... there will be a trail of 'burning rubber' smell behind them (and probably in the cabin of the car as well).

    How do I slow the car down without using my brakes, one might ask? You use the engine. By choosing a lower gear than you would normally use at a given speed but not applying gas, your engine will help slow the car down without overheating your brakes. Your engine will whine and the RPMs will be high (3000-5000 range is FINE... your engine can take it), but you will feel the engine slowing your descent. If you are behind me, you will definately hear my aftermarket exhaust burble and pop as I downshift, so listen to the cars in front of you for a clue on when to downshift.

    Drivers with automatic transmissions can do this as well, using the "1" and "2" gear positions that are past "D" on the shifter. While you are moving or at a stop, you can move from "D" into "1" or "2" at will. If you have never used these gears, I recommend that you try 'em out before you get to the Smoky Mountains.

    NOTE: I did NOT tell you that you shouldn't use your brakes! You will definately need to use them. I did say, however, that you shouldn't "ride" your brakes (stay on them for long periods of time). Use your brakes to slow you down when you need to, but do your braking then get off of them. If you have your foot on the brake pedal for more than 15 seconds, you need to be looking for another way to slow yourself down... downshift and then, if safe, come off of the brakes and let them cool down.

    I'm a manual transmission guy... Here is a nice article on downshifting with an automatic transmission. The author talks about the smell of brake dust, where it's actually the smell of cooking brake fluid, but otherwise he/she does a nice job of explaining things: http://thefuntimesguide.com/2005/07/downhilldriving.php