Suspension Brakes 1st Gen Sway Bar endlinks

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    Any body using them. Was looking at Alta and Way Motor Works. Any comments. Waste of money or worth it?
     
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    Why do you think you need them?

    Car lowered a bit?

    Have coil overs? And if so did you corner weight the car?
     
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    #3 TT_Zop, May 27, 2009
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    its lowered with coil overs. Corner weight?? I was just reading about 'em. both sites said oem ones were flimsy. I put my upper h sport control arms on today so i could bring the rear camber back in. had alignment done last weekend and the camber was -4. on right and -3.4 on left, tires went fast. alignment redone today(bought the lifetime).New Bridestones too.I had it aligned with me in drivers seat, full tank of gas. They(Expert Tire) said it called for 150lbs in both front seats,31lbs in boot. Why?? I drive solo 99.9% of the time.
     
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    Your sig notes H-sport springs and Koni's.

    New endlinks are good if you are going to go to bigger sway bars.
     
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    I run the TSW endlinks because I'm lowered and it lets me adjust out the preload on my swaybar.

    BTW... you need LOWER control arms to adjust camber... not upper control arms... upper arms adjust toe... yes?
     
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    It had lower control arms on it last weekend when i had alignment done the first time, They told me the lowers would only do toe. He couldn't get the camber with them. So I ordered 2 more from Mini Madness who had them drop shipped to me from Hotchkis.got the uppers on now and every things is back to factory specs.
     
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    I had the Altas on and they creaked and clicked all of the time. They were really noisy. It is back to stock, but someday we'll get the TSW's
     
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    I'm using the ones that came w/ the Webb Extreme bar - no complaints w/ them at all.

    Nik
     
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    Yea I read some stuff on Mini Madness that said the same about Alta(personal comments) . Noisy huh. Not good. Sounds like TSW is winning.
     
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    Uh..... maybe somebody got upper and lower confused. Because that's backwards... I've been adjusting camber for the past week with lowers only... it's simple geometry based on where the control arms connect to the trailing arm...

    But, yeah, TSW endlinks are excellent and silent.
     
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    I wondered about that. Anyway 252.00 plus shipping later its aligned. Guess I shoulda used this board first. Maybe Expert Tire wasn't the place to go.
     
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    Hey... I wish I had uppers and lowers. Just because the H-Sports are SOOOO much nicer and stronger than OEM. So it's all good. :D
     
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    Camber can be adjusted using either upper or lower rear control arms; it is more convenient to adjust using the lowers. Toe adjustment should be performed via the trailing arm bracket. To manipulate toe with the control arms will affect track (the distance between the wheels). The proper approach is to set the upper arms to stock length, adjust camber with the lowers, and toe by moving the trailing arm bracket. Wacking things happen with the camber curve when you try to adjust toe using the control arms. It’s up to you to educate the alignment tech if he’s not aware of how to do it.

    I’ve removed the threads from an Alta endlink with less than 30ft-lb torque, have seen a broken Alta endlink, and a frozen Alta; I say forget the Altas.
     
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    I say forget the Alta's also.

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    And this was after I replaced the Alta rod ends with Aurora rod ends.
    Replaced with TSW / Powergrid end links and have had no issues since.

    Jim
     
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    :Thumbsup:Now this is what i call gettin an education from the experienced:Thumbsup: Excellent feedback. Thanks to all!
     
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    #16 TT_Zop, May 27, 2009
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    Is it the same for R53 and up? Does that mean I'm gonna have to pull them back off and adjust to the stock length and reintall them first? I copied this to notepad, gonna show the tech. I wonder if our local BMW shop could do better?
     
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    Yes, all new MINIs have slotted trailing arm bushing brackets for adjusting toe (that’s why there is a small door below the skirt to fit a 16mm socket on the end of an extension through), loosen the three bolts, move the bracket, tighten (74ft-lb), there is a short learning curve involved because when the bolts are screwed down it tends to move the toe setting so one must learn to compensate.
     
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    Oooh ouch - are those endlinks or control arms? If they are control arms Ima little nervious:eek:

    Nik
     
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    Endlinks. That's what started this thread.:Thumbsup:Lots of good stuff has been posted over it.
     
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    Cool - just wanted to be sure, there has been quite a bit of talk about control arms here too.

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