Engine Drivetrain 1st Gen Cooper S The Automatic Transmission Rebuild Thread

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  1. BlimeyCabrio

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    Unfortunately he won't be all sutured up until November, waiting on a torque converter from a dude who is on vacation out of the country.

    But I plan to be hovering around Fontana that weekend, doing ride-alongs with some buddies. :Thumbsup:
     
  2. shub

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    I'm new to this forum. I've got an R53 Aisin with 140k. I did several fluid exchanges on my car last week, both for preventative maintenance and potentially resolving a very occasional shift flare in 1-2-3 range. Since doing that, the transmission has become remarkably worse, especially when cold. If I don't let off the gas when the engine sounds like it wants to shift (3k RPM or so) it slams HARD.

    I've driven several hundred miles in hopes the TCM would readapt, but no such luck! I've checked the fluid levels 3x. I don't believe it's either over or underfilled, though I don't have an IR thermometer, but I put the same amount in that I took out initially. I then slowly added more warmed fluid after the car had idled until it poured out over the stand pipe and out the drain.

    I feel like the next logical step is going to be a Revmax valve body. I don't have the $1,000 for part + core. What goes into rebuilding a valve body. Aren't the solenoids the primary failure cause? Can these be bought somewhere and replaced DIY on my core? I've only got about $300 I can throw at this car during the holiday season.
     
  3. BlimeyCabrio

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    I'd try it with a little less fluid, before you do anything else. If you put in the same amount as came out, then added MORE to get it to flow out the stand pipe, it's possible that it's overfilled. It should have had the proper volume initially. It's hard to get the level right with the standpipe, car may not be exactly level, etc.

    If that doesn't work then, yes, likely a valve body problem. You can order replacement solenoids and other body rebuild stuff here:
    VW 09M, 09G, Aisin TF60SN Transmission Parts Volkswagon / Audi

    The challenge is knowing which solenoid(s) is/are problematic, and testing.

    If you find and use the BMW INPA / GT3 scan tools (check eBay) you can better diagnose what you have going on.
     
  4. BlimeyCabrio

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    Engine is back in the car!

    Physically, anyway. It's just in the bay, hanging by the upper mounts. Nothing hooked back up yet. I have some surgery coming up later this week, so it will have to wait a few more weeks before I get Blimey back on the road. Hopefully by mid-December.
     
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    Look forward to your update... the car, and you. Good luck with your surgery. I have some coming too, and hope to get it out of the way before Christmas. With the VA it's a toss up.
     
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    Hope it goes well and you get better quickly!
     
  7. CeeLowe

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    Hey Paul,

    I have been reading a lot of your posts both here as well as the "other" site regarding your transmission issues. I am having a small amount of trouble with my Fiance's transmission in her 2005 mcs. And have been considering the vavle body replacement for the second time on the car. However I am a very confident mechanic and have also tossed around the idea of just starting fresh.

    i.e. buying the revmax valvebody, as well as the sonnax pinned sleeve, and a total overhaul kit and just starting over. With everything new. However I was curious to see how your transmission ended up after the overhaul? I have not seen a post where you finished it with any update as of yet. I would love to know that your unit works just like new after the work and there are no suprises for a potential DIY'er like myself.

    I also saw you mentioned that you had an upcoming surgery. I hope there were no issues with that that have been the delay in updates.

    Hope all is well and look forward to hearing how everything went.
     
  8. wmwny

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    Welcome to M/A!

    On the subject of automatic trannys, I was having shifting issues with my '06 MCSa. The dealer told me it was going out so I took it to a shop that works on a lot of MINIs. They analyzed it and replaced the tranny fluid. The shifting problem has disappeared. That was about 2,000 miles ago. The car now has just under 104,000 miles. I had bought the car new and had done all the Service 2 checks, but the other mechanic told me that perhaps the tranny fluid had not been recently changed [if at all] since new as BMW likes to think of it as permanent.

    So, before tearing the tranny apart, check the fluid first. If it is cruddy, like mine was, change it and see if that resolves your problems.
     
  9. BlimeyCabrio

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    Sorry for the super long delay in an update.

    Sooooooooooo.........

    It all went back together. Engine started on the first try. Transmission actually shifts. But it's still not "right".

    Initially shifted in just R-N-1-2-3
    After a little time, I got access to 4-5-6
    So mechanically, all shifts are working. But inconsistent shifting, some hard shifts, still flares between 3 and 4. And noticing more friction material in the fluid than I should have.
    INPA enables you to monitor the individual solenoids doing their thing, and they all appear to be working. But at this point, I'm not confident in either the valve body, or the mechanicals. And I have a leak in my main case seal (the RTV'd one), about 15 drips per minute while running.

    So, I'm going to punt.

    Options are:
    1) buy a MINI reman transmission and torque converter. Because if I'm going pull the engine again, I'm not putting it back in the car without a tested-and-warranteed transmission and torque converter. About $6000
    2) Go radical, and convert the car to manual. For the cost of a parts car, plus new clutch and a few other tidbits.

    I'm going with the second option. it will be a new adventure.

    So not the outcome I wanted, and not the encouraging outcome I was hoping to give other travelers... but it is what it is.
    With Blimey now morphed into a track car, I've really been wishing he had a manual and an LSD.

    By the time MOTD gets here, he will. Stay tuned.
     
  10. BlimeyCabrio

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    Oh, and for everyone who asked, I'm doing GREAT health-wise. I had bariatric surgery in mid November. I've lost about 50 pounds so far and feel the best I've felt in decades. Brand new man.

    Thanks for your concerns, and for the well-wishes!
     
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    Great to see you back and healthy once again! Congrats! :Thumbsup:
     
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    Awesome news on both counts! You are going to be so much happier--and faster--with a manual. And if/when you go mental on further upgrades, you now have a whole new world open to you....
     
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    It's great your back and doing well!
     
  14. CeeLowe

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    Great to hear that your well. These forums need people like you. Bummer about the transmission.

    I have a couple of questions if you dont mind.

    In any of your findings did you ever read anywhere of shims, or different thickness steel plates inside the unit that would need to be measured while putting the unit back together?

    I have done a lot of reading now and I have not found any information about that, but I have been curious. I have built several transmissions in the past, and most have shim packs for the clusters.

    Also correct me if Im wrong on this. But didnt you have the revmax VB installed and run in the vehicle before you busted the transmission down?

    There is a possibility that small amounts of trash are inside the valve bodies fluid passage network. The part that looks like the human brain on the inside of the VB. There are numerous passages in there in the gaskets that are 12-18 thousandths of an inch.

    There is also a possibility that trash is inside the pump unit in the front case half.

    And as for your transmission case leak. Im not going to insult you and tell you why or how. You already know all of that. However in the future consider a case bond such as Yamabond, or Fujibond instead of RTV.
     
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    Originally I wasnt trying to clutter up Blimey's thread with my information. So I held this back. But I will give you a quick history on the car. It is a 2005 MCS auto. Originally purchased by a close friend of mine for his mother to drive. They kept good care of the car and about 2 years ago the transmission started shifting very hard and acting stupid. First he took it to Global Mini here in Atlanta and they told him "no problem, just give us $9700.00 and we will install a new transmission." So he called me and we went through options. We found a guy local here "very small shop" that has done quite a few mini valve bodies with good success. He told us that the VB solves 90% of the transmissions. But he would like to install one first and see how it went before removing the unit.

    He installed a generic remanufactured valve body and sent the car home. it has been running fine for some time now.

    I purchased the car from him 5 months ago for my fiance to drive. Her jeep was laid to rest by a texting driver.

    Since we have owned it I have started to notice a few signs intermittently of trans problems. Once again all of it "so far" is intermittent and doesnt all happen at the same time. On cold starts it will occasionally hang in second until about 4500 rpms leaving the driveway. I have seen it flair shift from second to third three times now about 2 to 400 rpms before it moves on. And probably the most noticeable and often occurance is that it seems to shift early out of first and second. Leaving it at a really low rpm in third to make any torque. Havent noticed anything yet in 4-5-6. Seems normal. Also I think its worth noting that it shifts buttery smooth. I havent noticed a hard shift at all either up or down.

    Given the data that I am accumulating I am researching what plan of action I should take. As I stated before I am a master technician, and I am not scared to go through the unit if I have to. However I would prefer not to if its not necessary.

    Lets hear some thoughts from you guys. I always want more opinions so feel free, good or bad.
     
  16. TexasChiliS

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    Great article, I have done engine work, but automatic transmissions just look like a lot of potential for error with limited time I have to do the work. My wife's 2005 MCSa started having problems @ 93K - of course if I had bothered to have the fluid changed it may have lasted longer. Had the transmission rebuilt and new converter and it has been running and shifting good as new for 5K miles - no leaks. Ended up costing me about $2.5K, better than buying a new car. Mini dealer quoted $5-6K for new transmission and $4-5K to install.
     
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    #37 BlimeyCabrio, Mar 10, 2015
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    CeeLowe - good feedback. No offense taken :)
    The only shim for this specific tranny I've ever seen mentioned is one related to overal "stack height" that you many need just before the pump goes back on. I measured mine and it seemed within tolerance.

    I'm pretty confident that my valve body has particles in it, causing problems. The unit was making a LOT of metal dust before the rebuild. In retrospect, I should have cleaned out the valve body while I had it apart. Major oversight on my part at the time.
    Yeah, I know why my case leaks. I used good sealant the first time... Then had to crack it open again to get the oil pump gear in the right place, and used inferior sealant to reseal. Doh. It matters, as I now have proven. Use the right sealant, people.

    I really don't have any more insight for you based on the symptoms you're describing. I'd suspect valve body again. if clutches are shot, you'll see lots of silver metal paste on the pan magnets. If you don't have much of this, odds are its a valve body problem.

    Chris - yeah, it will be the car I want it to be when it's done. And I'll be happier. Agreed.

    TexasChiliS - $2500 is a great price for the work you had done. You won the lottery.

    Everyone else - thanks for the welcome back. I'm in the process of starting a new business, along with everything else. So I won't have the forum time I had in the past. But I'll be here more than I have been the last few months.

    I'll take the story of what I'm doing from here back to the BlimeyCabrio 2.0 thread.

    I hope the info in this thread helps someone be more successful with their DIY rebuild than I was. Someone will conquer this, but it won't be me. No regrets... It wasn't a super expensive tangent, and I learned A TON. And it gave me the confidence to take this next step.
     
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    Good to see you back Paul. Sorry to hear you are changing to a manual . Mine is still good, no problems at all. I guess I'm lucky.
     
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  20. BlimeyCabrio

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    Never heard of 'em. But anyone who claims "bulletproof" transmissions... I would run away. And anyone who claims to be able to "customize" an Aisin transmission. Perhaps yes, for some older american made transmissions. But not for the Aisin.

    Caveat Emptor.
     

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