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  1. Firewire

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    Would something like this from NAPA work on the PCV valve if you filled it with Seafoam or equivalent? Not sure about the end working with our clamp though.

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    I have an 08 MCS with approximately 37,000 miles. I dont have any overt signs of carbon build up. I contemplated using Seafoam as a precautionary measure, but have not. I have been following all the threads involving this carbon issue. Your explanation seems to make the most sense. Thanks for the Info...
     
  3. Rixter

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    This is me exactly :( So will driving it for a more extended run once a month make any difference or once the damage is done it's not reversable (short of using chemicals).

    That's very interesting. I'm always concerned about ECU 'patches' since occasionally you read about people having really adverse affects, like worsened gas milage. I have the JCW Stage 1 Tune, would that negate the need for the non-manditory ECU update?

    I usually run a bottle of Techron concentrate right after an oil change but now that people tell me it won't help a direct injection engine I've stopped :frown2:

    Thanks for the very useful info. If you could see if your 'master tech' has any comments about the questions I raised, that'd be extremely useful.

    And lastly, what about an OCC?
     
  4. Metalman

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    Redbeard... Thanks for this posting.

    This non-mandatory ECU update, is there a BMW / MINI work order number or description available? Was this something you had to ask for? Normally MINI doesn't do any work unless the issue can be verified. Seems like this ECU update might reduce the carbon buildup problem.
     
  5. Redbeard

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    To you both there are questions I can't answer. However, I am due for service soon. I will ask when I go in and relay those answers back to you.

    The build-up isn't "damage" per say. I don't know if driving more afterwards would help or not. They only way that I know that will COMPLETELY remove the build-up is the removal of the cylinder-head and physically scrubbing the affected components.

    The cleaner they are trying to sell is the Techron stuff. I'm personally not sure that it would do much but my opinion is exactly that: An opinion and certainly not fact.

    This ECU tune is a COMPLETE reflash not a patch. I don't know how it would or would not affect a JCW car. I will ask. :Thumbsup:

    I don't know the technical side of it. I can and will ask though. The tech brought it up with the following statement, "I shouldn't tell you this but MINI just released a bulletin for an ECU reflash that changes the timing and fuel mapping. It's only for manual cars. The thing is they say it gives a small power increase. So most people will want it for that."

    Which is the truth for me. I asked to have the reflash done wheile they were changing the brakes. It would not have been done otherwise. I wouldn't even know about it unless I was talking "shop" with the guys in service. I was told I am only the second person to get the tune at thier dealership and the only one to give them feedback on the differences I felt.
     
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    #6 Metalman, Jan 31, 2011
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    Redbeard

    I don't mean to get off track.
    Do you know if this was the same ECU re-flash that also was supposed to reduce the torque steer that was discussed some months ago on Motoringfile?

    http://www.motoringfile.com/2010/10/04/torque-steer-fix-r56/

    I kind of wanted to stay away from that ECU re-flash for the torque re-flash, but am interested in the one you're discussing. I ask this only wondering if they bundle this changes or if you can only select one over the other.
     
  7. Redbeard

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    #7 Redbeard, Jan 31, 2011
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    I don't know. I'll have to ask. It doesn't seem so as the torque steer is still there. Not that I am worried about that. Its a higher torque FWD car. Its gonna have torque steer. Plus the tech mentioned it increases the power not a decrease.
     
  8. Nitrominis

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    Any carbon in the combustion chambers or on the piston dome is not good.
    If a concern is there you can have your cylinder bore scoped? There are also many suppliers that offer water injection kits which will remedy the carbon issue.
    Seafoam and Clean Power will help with an existing build up but has not proven to be a reliable preventive cure.
    I am waiting to see how even BMW can adjust via an ECU adjustment for the people who do not allow Power plants reaching nominal operating temperatures to cure the carbon issues?

    I personally have always used water to successfully remove any and all carbon deposits in the combustion chambers.
     
  9. Redbeard

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    In response to Rixter's earlier concerns regarding mileage and the reflash. I've gone through two tanks of gas on the reflash now. I'm still getting the 32.5-33mpg I normally get. No adverse effects there.

    I have definite confirmation from a hard run this morning that the torque-steer is still very present. Not that I actually mind. :D
     
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    Thanks Red
     
  11. Metalman

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    Good to know, never wanted to give up my torque steer either. Now how do I ask for and get the same reflash you got?

    Redbeard, was there a description on your MINI work order with a reference number describing the reflash?
     
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    HAHAAHAH.... Too funny.
     
  13. Justa Jim

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    That was good.

    Jim
     
  14. Redbeard

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    OH! I never thought to look there. I should still have the paperwork at the house. I'll check it tonight and let you know what it says. Heck I can even scan it for ya. :Thumbsup:
     
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    That's wonderful, thanks a lot.:D
     
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    I didn't want to use the P word or the C word. I was afeared Jim would tell me I was being negative.:prrr: Das P&C does not a BMW make. :deadhorse:
     
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    My mother, who's German, was not amused :D
     
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    I'm sinking is was a hoot! :lol:
     
  19. Redbeard

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    Okay, work order is non-descript:

    F ADVISE ON REFLASH
    11 CK CUST STATES
    181 IPS 0.00 (N/C)
    PARTS: 0.00 LABOR: 0.00 OTHER: 0.00 TOTAL LINE F: 0.00
     
  20. Rixter

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    Hmmm that wasn't too helpful. Thanks for trying :Thumbsup: