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  1. MCS02

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    I was planing on buying a pistol but things being what they are I went with the AR. As I said I plan on doing some work to my new AR. If you don't have an AR or have one and want a different variant I would go with the AR. I like the idea of a pistol caliber carbine and one chambered in a round you already use is a good option.

    I can't help on the Hi-Point but the S&W is one of the ones I was trying to chose from when I got my AR.

    Yea I know not much help.
     
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    Thanks that's good info to consider.
     
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    Have you looked a The CZ? that looks like a really nice pistol caliper based carbine. I would really like it if it was legal to have the stock on the pistol version.
     
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    No, I haven't looked at the CZ, but I will. I'm in The Golden State so I'm needing to get something that's still ok to own here..... for now.
     
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    Ever since a buddy of mine built his AR-9K, as he calls it, I have been wanting to build a 9mm AR pistol and a regular AR. And actually the list is kinda long and getting expensive. Anyone wanna give me some money???

    The wife and I are taking the Advanced CCW class at Vance Outdoors this Saturday. I talked to the instructor yesterday and he said we will be shooting in the neighborhood of 350 rounds. Gonna suck for the wife since she went with a LCR 9mm for her carry gun. Thats a damn lot of reloading for her.
     
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    My current AR started out as an M&P-15 and was as good as any other one I've ever shot. Outside of the tolerances the receivers are built to any rifle is only as good as the parts it's built with. I did have a couple sort of major problem with the factory parts in the M&P... The cam pin in the bolt carrier assembly is made of a pretty soft steel and after a few thousand rounds it had some major wear that was causing some feeding issues, the other was the factory sear pin set... I had a hammer pin break in half!

    To fix the issues I went with a new standard cam pin from Bushmaster, because they are made from a harder steel, and polished it along with the slide rails on the carrier... Never had a problem with it after that, and when lubed properly it functions smoother than most of the aftermarket carriers that I have experience with.
    The broken sear pin got replaced with a set of non rotating KNS sear pins and a new factory spec sear and trigger set from DPMS which I modified slightly to my liking for trigger pull feel and weight. I also replaced all the springs at the same time.

    That rifle is still shooting solid 5-7000 rounds after the rebuild, and total internal repair/rebuild cost was less than $300.


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    Caliber choice is a choice that only the shooter of the gun can make. Always chose a gun you can hit the mark with. I just want to say I am not a fan of the 9. I remember all the hype back in the late 80's about how great the 9 was, it was more accurate, you could carry more rounds........ What was found in the real world once police started carrying it was you needed more rounds to stop an attack. It preformed miserable. So everyone moved away from it. Now I hear all this hype about how modern amo design has made the 9 more powerful and now it is the hot thing agin. Two things to consider, one design has progressed for all calibers, two police departments that are going to the 9 are doing so to save money.
    The other thing I hear a lot is the 9 is more accurate. No its not. Thats usually goes along with a 45 has a big ark so you have to aim high on long shots. No you don't because it doesn't. If you are competing where things like split times and very minute accuracy difference make a difference then you may have a case for the accuracy argument. I competed for years with a springfield 1911 customized by Wilson Combat in 45. I promise that 45 shot better than I could. The farthest I ever shot it was 50 yards and it hit where you aimed it even out to 50 yards. Some would say a pistol is only good for fighting your way back to your rifle, Dick may be one of those people:D. Did competing with a 45 hurt me, maybe because of recoil split times were higher then guys with super 38's, but they were all better then me anyway. Also other things effect recoil, like weight, barrel length, and porting/compensators.

    The only reason I say all this is because there is no magic caliber. When you chose your weapon there a lot of factors to consider; how does it fit your hand, does it need to be concealed, is round count a factor, can you control the gun, is it for self defiance or competition, price and so on.

    For me a 40 is the minimum but there some cases I would go smaller. For my daughter it may be a 9. I am not downing the 9 just chose wisely.

    Also remember to carry an extra mag. not just for extra rounds but for reliability. Most of the time a pistol malfunctions it is caused by bad mag.

    Most importantly train train train.

    sorry for the long post I am now off my soap box.
     
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    Dang that's alot of ammo for a CCW class. We only have to have 30 rounds. Granted you may want to bring more just to practice with beforehand or afterwards etc..
     
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    After shooting yesterday with my son, I am really liking the AR platform. I really enjoyed shooting his S&W15 and was able to hit right where I aimed, using his red dot hologram sight. That thing seemed to work pretty nice. Now, I need to decide on whether or not I go that route (sifting through all the manufacturer choices under a grand) or the follow the original thought of the 9mm carbine. I'm sure I'll likely opt for the AR and the added expenses... It's what I do.
     
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    I just glad we live in a country that gives us freedom of chose :D
     
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    ^^^ Yes... For Now!
     
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    We already have our permits. This is an advanced class. So we will actually be practicing reloading and malfunction drills, low light shooting, proper use of cover and concealment, multiple target, shoot and move and draw and reholster. Continued training and all that. I'm looking forward to the additional training. Plus hopefully the instructor will be able to give me a few pointers to get my accuracy up.
     
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    I understand now.. Sounds like a fun day..
     
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    AR-15 question. On the lower end of the money scale are there any brands I should stay away from. Armalite, Ruger, Anderson, Palametto, DPMS, etc and or any parts or pieces I should get or not get, barrel coating vs chrome lined etc. Not something I'll shoot alot and I'm no sniper just a nice rifle to play with and be ready for the up-raising..
     
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    I'm not an AR expert or anything, but I have heard good things about the Ruger and Palmetto. Armalite is the original, so I figure they gotta know whats up there. After all, AR stands for Armalite Rifle. DPMS I have heard good and bad and Anderson I understand is cheap but ok.

    I'm looking to pick up an AR this summer and the sheer amount of options is a little staggering. I half want to build my own, but I dunno.
     
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    Yea after looking at all the AR's in the store the other day it still took me for ever to make up my mind.
     
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    Hell, half the time I see one I like than then look at the tag and ask if they will be taking my kidney with our without anesthesia. $3K for an AR? Are you freaking kidding me? I may not be an AR expert, but I'm smart enough to know only a fool would pay that price.
     
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    #578 Dave.0, Jul 15, 2016
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    This is why no other country will ever invade the USA.

    Our Military is strong and highly advanced, but our citizens are armed to the teeth. (Thank God)

    Also we have the title of "Back to Back World War Champions" :Thumbsup::lol:
     
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    Exactly Dave. Since the San Bernardino murders, we've gone from a two firearm household to now owning eight. I'm no Prepper, but I do get it.
     
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    Relatives keep giving guns, 'cause they know I like them and they don't want them in their house. I am going to have to get a big gun safe to put them in!
    I haven't bought a new gun in years.

    Any recommendations for gun safes?
     

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