Looks great Paul. Just when I think you couldn't make it any better...
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Cough cough...Some instructors consider it common courtesy to have a seat offering the same amount of protection as the students, and won't sit int the passenger seat unless it's the same safety rating as the students, cough cough....
Most instructors will probably be ok with your setup, but I know a few that definitely won't. And if you're in a run group that requires tech, a few clubs I know wouldn't pass you to run with a passenger. Just sayin'... -
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They're safer in that seat, with a six point harness and a six point cage, than they would be in the same car with a four point bar, my old seats and factory belts, which would have passed (if I had used the same).
I've ridden in instructor cars where there definitely wasn't equal seating. -
BlimeyCabrio Oscar Goldman of MINIsLifetime Supporter
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And I know some big boy instructors who can't even fit in an XL bucket. They'd be cussing me for a skinny racing seat on the right side, and will thank me for having a decent seat they can fit in. I've seen a bunch of dedicated track cars set up similarly in the groups I run in, for the same reason. Definitely need a supportive seat with a proper harness setup, that will work with their HANS or Simpson Hybrid or whatever they come with.
But yeah, I know that's not good enough for some people... -
Ask yourself this: why did you buy a Halo seat for yourself? Why didn't you but the passenger seat for yourself?
There's nothing "prissy" about an instructor, who is literally putting his life in your hands, and has a wife and kids, refusing to sit in a car with a halo on one side, and an ok seat in the other...Some day you may be instructing. You're on that path. Your perspective is going to change.
You have a high HP to weight ratio car. You've flipped it. You've spun it. If you wreck with an instructor, and you walk away with scratches, and your instructor is a paraplegic, are you gonna be ok with that? Last year an instructor was killed...
When Jan did my seats, I put halos on both sides. Easy to remove one when you're solo, and piece of mind for your passengers when you're not.
Post a pic of your setup on HPDRE. Tell that what speeds your car is capable of. Ask if instructors are comfortable with this setup. Some will be, some won't. It will be an interesting discussion...
But what I can tell you is this: even the instructors that ride with you are going to notice it. Some will purposely keep you dialed back because of it. Others won't say anything, but will pass you off solo as quick as possible to get out of your car. Others won't care at all, and proceed as normal. Others won't get in your car (call them prissy to their face, see how that turns out).
Yes, you can run it that way and get an instructor in your car. But you're moving into tiger country now, you're not advanced yet but getting closer--this is when people make the most potentially catastrophic mistakes. With a Pro driver, yeah, I'd be fine sitting in that passenger seat. But we aren't. I used to be a lot more cavalier about safety than I am now. -
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A fair perspective.
Things I know:
* I need a passenger seat, for the street, that will accommodate lots of riders. And it doesn't need to be a halo. This will be 90% of the days the car is on the road. Check, got that covered.
* Half the track events I'll do this year are pure solo, no instructors. Doesn't matter what's over there for those. This will be 50% of the 10%. Check, got that covered.
* Some of the instructors I'll encounter will need a fat boy seat to fit. This will be 20% of the 5%. Check, got that covered.
* For other instructors (~4% of the days the car will be on the road), I think it's very fair that they have a halo seat. I'll get another one that I can drop in for those days.
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Fair enough.
Sold. Lol...
Not trying to break your balls, but I see where you're heading, I've been down that path, although not that much farther ahead. You're perspective is going to be different in a year or two; you're heading down the path of this not just being fun (although it always will be), but you're hitting the serious side of it now, and your responsibility is going to increase accordingly.
I was you a few years ago. Pushed the car too hard, too fast, made a lot of mistakes. But I had more than one instructor tell me they can't make a slow, cautious driver fast, but they can make an overly aggressive driver more cautious and faster. It's cool to watch you work through this...
You're pushing the car, finding the limits. You've spun with an instructor in your car; I have too. More than once, you still have some catching up to do, lol.You're not the guy babying the car, who's going slow enough that there's never going to be an issue. -
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OK, so within 30 minutes of posting on my local track club forum, I got a line on a great deal on a slightly used halo seat for the copilot position. I'll go see it (and probably buy it) next week.
And parts arrived, from Stephen at eMINIparts.com. So I immediately cut them up and banged on them with a BFH and drilled some holes and stuff.
Doesn't look like much, here...
Looks better with a little paint.
And even better on the car.
"Stealth diffuser". OK, so it's not finned / compartmented. But it's a ton better than the giant open cavities in front of the rear bumper that used to be back there.
With the track wheels and splitter installed, I have about 2.5" under the splitter in the front. And almost 9" out the back. I suspect it's gotta be better than the aero nightmare I had going on the last time I was at the track, with the mushed exhaust hanging down back there.
If I get ambitious, I might add some fins to it. If I get really ambitious, I'll rework the exhaust and install the Group 4 diffusers I have coming. But I'll see how this does, first. -
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Where'd all the updates go? Facebook?!? Blasphemy!
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BlimeyCabrio Oscar Goldman of MINIsLifetime Supporter
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OK, that's fair. I got kinda busy after MOTD.
So here's the Negasonic Teenage Warhead Update...
I built a really crappy looking, but totally functional, bikini top prototype.
The roof is surprisingly quiet and keeps the car surprisingly dry. Art and I drove for hours and hours in the rain around MOTD, and it was surprisingly civilized.
MOTD was fantastic, as always. The car performed spectacularly, no issues.
When Colin drove the car, he thought it was pretty well sorted, but might benefit from even stiffer springs. So we agreed to test that, later.
I decided a couple of things at MOTD: I want a hard cover for the rear (to get rid of the flappy tonneau cover) and I want to create a removable hard top for the cabin.
Thought about doing a fiberglass top for the rear, kinda RedBull-Mini-like... but then thought of maybe doing a hybrid that looks kinda like the canvas/vinyl tonneau, but rigid. I decided to take that route, at least initially.
Made a template for the curved rear section...
Transferred to 1/2" plywood...
Cut and fit...
Wrapped it in marine-grade vinyl...
Mounted brackets...
Installed. Seals with the factory weather strip.
Cut and fitted the other two pieces around the cage.
Wrapped and installed...
Makes an excellent bar top, while retaining the general look of the tonneau.
Still opens to allow access. Used it on the street and at the track, and it works very well. I'm gonna add some aluminum angle underneath to stiffen them and prevent sagging. I'm happy with this.
Took a first shot at brake ducts. Cut the GP black grille piece behind the faux ducts, to accept 2.5" hose. Liberal use of racer tape.
Got some brackets from Coleman Racing and initially mounted on the front of the A-arms. I wanted to try this routing, because there's so much stuff to work around on the back side of the A-arm (brake lines, sway bar end links, axle...)
Flattened the hose just a bit to provide clearance at full steering lock with fat tires. This held up well at the track, but it's not providing as much air to the inner rotor as it could from the other side of the hub where it's more open. So I'm gonna make some different brackets and re-route them. I also got titanium brake pad shims to help with heat transfer to the brake pistons and fluid.
Stiffer springs arrived (10kg/mm front and rear). I installed and re-corner-balanced...
They were fantastic at the track. Suspension feels "right".
Installed a bigger top-mount intercooler.
And installed a GreenePerformance coolant tank.
I mentioned a few times that I went to the track, yes?
Dirty little track beast, with the track wheels.
While at MOTD, Colin mentioned that he knew someone selling a GP2 rear diffuser setup for a decent price. I crawled around under Mark Dissen's GP2 looking at it, and thought I could probably make it work on my car with the Milltek rear section and the battery box in place. So I bought it.
While the diffuser clears the milltek and the battery box with no problem, extensive fitment is required: Must cut slots for the tabs in the bumper. Must trim the edge on the diffuser that fits into bumper (it's too long to fit in the groove). Must notch that diffuser edge to go around protrusions in the groove. Must do major trimming to the tunnels to clear the control arms. Must fabricate brackets because the R56 brackets don't fit an R53 with normal exhaust. Must fab some other brackets to secure front of tunnels. Must do heat shield origami. Must cut rear trim to fit around diffuser.
So it's not a trivial mod. But...
It looks GOOD. And works well. I decided it will fit better with standard rear bumper trim, instead of the GP trim. So I bought a new set of that, and need to re-fit it. Also, the curvature of the R56 bumper is slightly different than the R52/R53 bumper, so the way the ends of the diffuser fascia fit is a little funky. I need to work on that a bit more to get it to stay put the way I want. Still, I love it. The car feels more stable at speed, and seems to have noticeably less wind noise, so I think this helped with some of the rear turbulence. We'll see how it does at the track.
OK, we're caught up. Today, I'm re-fitting the rear trim and diffuser fascia, and re-working the brake ducts. -
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Yaaay update! Now I can go hibernate some more while I work on my own project piece. Hopefully I will have something to post about in a couple weeks.
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looking good paul
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Awwww yeah! That's the car pr0n I've been missing! Show me more of that underbody..... :arf:
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Up on the Cherohala this year I saw you and a couple of other GPs hammering by, looked and sounded great!
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BlimeyCabrio Oscar Goldman of MINIsLifetime Supporter
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Pulled the diffuser off, reworked the slots in the bumper, made some more brackets, and reinstalled. Fitted the new trim. Much better, now looks OEM and is solid enough, I could swing from it.
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