The Bastids! I do hope you get things sorted out soon Chris. Sucks that you're pretty much stuck in limbo until someone can identify the underlying problem.
The dealer parts guy has been very good to me so I hope the service guy is as good too. I think they are leaving the Mini as a side job while they work on priority (paying) customers..LOL I told them from the start I cannot afford a huge labour bill so I hope that will be the case. Actually I just got an email to say they are busy and will try to fit and test the other injectors tomorrow. Meanwhile I had to use Amazon and Ebay to buy an 02 sensor and 4 remanufactured injectors. just so I have some back up parts. I'd buy new but at $800 I can't afford it and I'm not sure if Total will pay up.
Worse part is there is a rally the weekend after this one.....
I read through the entire thread, it's unbelievable that no one at the Mini dealer can come up with a solution after all this time that has passed! I have always thought that these 1st and 2nd Gen Mini's could have better, smarter ECUs to record more than just codes, but sensor data that's out of range (spec) and report it as for injector duty cycle on #1 and #2.
I noticed you haven't attempted to log data while these multiple issues are rearing there ugly head, perhaps if you could see in real-time what's going on you might better understand what the problem is. At this point anything could be helpful, I do agree that it just might be an electrical issues such as a short somewhere.
I hope for you and your Mini sake the problem is found soon, I know how frustrating it can be to hang in there! So hang in there! :fingerscrossed:
You should be buying from ECS Tuning, their hundreds of dollars cheaper than the dealer and even on eBay on new parts! I don't know a single company that can compete ECS Tunings prices.
Hey Thanks I'll look into their prices. Yes I'm amazed the dealer has not found the problem. I'm sure they must have a data logging machine but so far they have not told me what they have tested, I did send a check list but they never came back with what they had done. Seeing as the engine was running really good the day before and the fuel was contaminated with water I'm still hoping the injectors are bad. Below 4000rpm I can here the exhaust popping just before the engine goes to 3 cylinders.
Another thing that I found odd was the fuel filter had dirt on the outside and the inside. Surely one side should be clean? How does the fuel flow? outside to in or the other way round? Plus when I pumped out the fuel using the fuel pump there was a lot of dirt which should have been caught by the filter?
Nope just my personal experience, but make it out to be whatever you want because frankly I don't give a ****! Or maybe it's because eMINIparts is a Motoring Alliance Sponsor which I just found out which is probably why you didn't mention anything about BlimeyCabrio post below. I feel I can recommend anyone I want without harassment! It must be the heat.
Does this mean BlimeyCabrio post also sounds like a public service announcement... Or worse? (no offense to BlimeyCabrio) Sounds like a double standard to me.
I always welcome recommendations to save $$$$$$$$$$$. The dealer says they will try the injectors today. Mr insurance guy viewed the Mini and will return when it's running.
I would like to inform you that we already clean and replaced injectors (provided for you), but exactly same symptom condition continues.
According with this and the others test we made, we think the roots cause of this symptom is not fuel problem, we think it is electronic problem; it could be computer setting (electronic system failure). At this moment we think to solve the problem its necessary back to the original computer setting (this involves uninstalling parts, throttle body controller, sensors or others components not genuine that’s affected the original system performance) because we occupy technical support from factory and in this condition no given technical support from factory side.
The cost of the job made at this moment is ¢120.000 + taxes. The budget for the requested solution is open time, because at this moment we don’t know how long will take the solution due to it is a difficult troubleshooting / diagnosis for the electronic failure on the engine. We never have seen this failure in another MINI before.
In case you don’t want back to the standard electronic system, please let me know.
So the bill is $220 so far which is not to bad. I'm not convinced that the fuel was not the problem but hey electrical stuff goes pop over night. I know one thing, if I had run the rally on that crappy fuel the engine would have been toast.
Back to the plot. I had the Way motorworks ECU map which required me to send the ECU,Alarm,ignition key etc to Way motors for them to re-map the ECU which is a lengthy process. Is there anyway I can re-map the ECU myself? You can see the dealer says this job is an open ticket=$$$$$$$
Apart from the ECU map, everything else is OEM parts. I thinking to take the Mini back home and figure it out over the next few months with a little help from my friends.
Thank you, glad the thread creator appreciates my recommendation to save $$$$ since he stated he couldn't afford it ^^. That's why I informed him that he didn't have to pay dealer retail markup prices.
Also for the record I never stated who is the best parts supplier, please get your facts strait before you post please. Funny I don't see you or the other self serving, rude and condescending poster blasting BlimeyCabrio for his recommendation for eMINIparts! I'm willing to bet if I had recommended eMINIparts like BlimeyCabrio did I wouldn't have received any harassment. So if you prefer to continue to muck-up this thread it is of your doing, not mine.
I'll asist you in anyway I can logging files from Dash Command using Scan-XL Pro to view those files and we can actually log some real-time data and see what the sensors are reporting to the ECU. It's shocking that the Mini dealers don't have the ability to do data logging while driving on their own cars that they sell and service! Let us know when you get Scan-XL and Dash Command installed and we can help you set everything up.
Somehow I doubt you would even reply since there's no public audience to perform in front of and attempt to impress your new forum buddies. It's just a hunch...
Should be a bit better than the code only reader I have now. The 02 sensor showed up and I think the crank sensor and injectors should be here tomorrow.
Colin,
I do have an adjustable regulator from GTT which I've never used....might be a good time to try it...
A little calcification Jan if you please, I noticed I might be needing a new MAF sensor and on some sites they list both genuine Mini parts non-Mini parts, but it just so happens that Bosch manufactures both MAF sensors and even share the same manufactured part numbers, but certainly don't share the price! Can you provide some calcification on that please because the last thing I want is to be scratching my head wondering what the heck is going on?
Got here without issues. The customs officer was doing a cross word so my stuff came through without an inspection! LOL I started the Mini this morning to find it is worse than it was before! now the 3 cylinders happens a 4000rpm.....at least that is some progress. Also the engine has a lot of vibration from some place. I'm at work so that will have to wait until I get home.
Monday night I have to get my food in so I just got time to hook up the laptop and do some data logging. I ran the engine at idle, then up to 4000rpm and then dropped the rpm until the fault kicked in. I logged all the parameters but don't have a clue what they all mean. LOL. There are some interesting figures, like the ignition timing at 4000rpm is 34.5 ??? I need to do some research to know what I'm looking at . Cool stuff though.
What's interesting is Short term fuel trim (Bank 1, Sensor 2) reads 0% and Long term fuel % trim - Bank 1 reads 0% Both 02 sensor go 0% when the fault happens.
This is what the dealer did/found:
This is to inform you the tests performed by us in our service workshop
We performed the protocol and performed certains RPM range test, and found mixture (air- fuel) too rich, so it produce strong combustion that change from one cylinder to another at a specific RPM. So, we think that the roots cause of the failure is electronic.
Additionally, we also performed others tests as follow:
· Fuel pressure test
· Injectors nozzle check (injection volume and injection time)
