Suspension Brakes 1st Gen Most liked posts in thread: What and why is this?

Guess #1
OEM have a gray paint applied on surfaces that would normally show rust. Could it be some that puddled to the bottom on the inside?

Guess #2
Schumtz

 

Antiseize compound? A likely place for it. I've seen it there on other makes.

 

Looks to me like some sticky anti-squeal paste dripped onto the rotor. That stuff can dry hard like that and get caked with dust.

BTW, I thought you tracked your car? Do you just leave the track pads on, or have someone change them before/after events? Changing pads is pretty easy compared to installing SS lines.

 

They don't fade if you don't use them!

 

I guess

that you aren't braking very deep in the turns. When you do, you'll get the fade and the pucker factor that goes with it!

See if the stuff will come off with a chisle. If not, it may be in the casting.

Matt

 

Yikes. Do they even have tracks in the Arctic? That's the only environment I can envision that setup working. Or maybe you're one of those racer types that just don't use brakes. =)

 

This is exactly why I was trying to get folks to realize they don't need big-azzed brakes to do a few track days. :idea: :idea:

If RSR can do a 3 hour race using the R53 JCW calipers, then we should be able to use the OEM calipers/pads for a short track day!

I know I do..........lol (calipers, not pads)

 

I must disagree here. Sir Jackie Stewart was referring to a race car with a purpose built suspension. The most effective braking will always happen in the first application of the brake, when it is coolest. Brake hard initially, then modulate. If you haven't faded oem pads, you are leaving time on the table. RSR isn't using anything close to oem compounds. Their rules specify oem calipers or they would be running something different.

 

When it comes to brakes...

drive whacha got till they don't do it for you. Then upgrade.

Matt

 

I've got that T-shirt. I also know how the movie ends......should I spoil it for you? Ha

 

Never said they were using OEM pads, just the calipers. With the proper pads the R53/56 calipers are just fine. If you are trying to get the very last few tenths out of the car, then OEM is not going to cut it. But I can assure you that the OEM calipers are more than up to the task if driven with respect.

 

You were the one that mentioned that your track times were "good" with oem pads. Certainly heads, cams etc would make you faster. So would a set of dedicated track pads if you are not already breaking at the adhesion limits of your tires. If your tires are the limit, I stand corrected, as no brake combo will make you faster.

I used to drive my car to the track and to work on Monday. I also put on r-comps and track pads. Different strokes.

Trail braking into every corner? I've not run the same tracks as you, but this is not the fastest way through all corners.

I'm just putting out my .02 and I'm happy that you enjoy your car on the track.

 

I was referring to the OP's stated use of oem pads. JPropane is required to run oem calipers as well. He has done very well with them. Just not oem pads.

What do you mean by "driven with respect"? Driving on a track means driving to it's limits. Respect is a strange word to me in this environment. Driving within the limits of your equipment, as the OP mentioned, makes sense.

 

I don't want to be a confrontational a$$, but a simple pad change can improve your experience. I love outbraking P-cars into the corners. I'll post a brief vid tomorrow. It's all good.