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ScottinBend Space CowboySupporting Member
Someone needs to see what the vin is on a newer Camry/Honda made here.
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2016 Honda Accord - VIN 1HGCT2B82GA002258
2016 Toyota Camry - VIN 4T1BD1FK7GU199395
2016 VW GTI - VIN 3VW5T7AU0GM056595
2016 Jeep Renegade - VIN ZACCJBCT2GPC58505
2016 MINI Cooper 4dr - VIN WMWXU1C59G2D11327
2014 MINI Cooper 2dr - VIN WMWXM5C50ET933861 -
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11/30/99- Updated 01:33 PM ET
BMW shuns 'Made in USA' code
VIN switch could confuse buyers, investigators
By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
GREER, S.C. -- BMW, hoping to portray its U.S.-made models as equal to those it builds in Germany, is violating convention -- and possibly federal regulations -- in assigning vehicle identification numbers to models manufactured here.
garrow.GIF (184 bytes)How to know a car by its number
Z3 sports cars and X5 sport-utility wagons, models made only at this plant, have the Germany code "W" at the start of their VINs, instead of the U.S. "4" assigned to the factory.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which polices VINs, says it is investigating BMW's switch. NHTSA uses VINs to identify vehicles in safety recalls.
Legal or not, BMW's move could confuse buyers about a car's origins, confound law-enforcement and insurance-fraud investigations, and put the owner of a stolen vehicle at risk of a fraud charge.
BMW began the switch to "W" last year "to reflect our confidence that these vehicles are every bit as good as anything built in Germany," spokesman David Buchko says.
"We are in compliance with the regulations," he says. "We couldn't change the identifier without the consent of NHTSA. They know and have given their approval."
"That can't be true," says Dorothy Nakama at the NHTSA chief counsel's office. "If anybody here did that, they didn't have the authority."
NHTSA contracts with the Society of Automotive Engineers to assign the VIN's first three characters, identifying maker and country of manufacture. The VIN is a combination of 17 numbers and letters.
SAE assigned this plant "4" at start-up in 1994 and has no record of approving a change, SAE spokesman Dave Schwartz says. "They would have to come to us, and we would not give them that approval. We assign according to the dirt the plant's built on, not the headquarters of the company."
The VINs of all vehicles made for U.S. sale are recorded by the National Insurance Crime Bureau. NICB data are used by police and insurance investigators. "If you don't know what nation it was produced in, it would screw up your investigative process," says Ed Sparkman at NICB.
One predictable problem from BMW's switch: A VIN-savvy lawman investigating a stolen vehicle notices that the first character is "W," for Germany, but the 11th is "L," BMW's internal code for the U.S. factory. Because the "W" and "L" contradict each other, the investigator might turn on the owner, suspecting that person invented a VIN to collect insurance on a non-existent car.
"A 'paper' vehicle; happens all the time," Sparkman says.
VIN: How to know a car by its number
By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
New cars and trucks have carried serial numbers for decades, but the 17-character vehicle identification number used today wasn't standardized until federal regulators ordered it, beginning with 1981 models.
The first three characters are known as the world manufacturer identifier, or WMI. Those codes are assigned by the Society of Automotive Engineers under a contract with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Under SAE procedure, the WMI should tell where the vehicle was manufactured and by what company.
For example, Volkswagen's New Beetle, which is made in Mexico, has a VIN beginning 3VW -- "3" refers to Mexico and VW is the obvious code for Volkswagen. A VW made in Germany would have a VIN beginning WVW -- "W" for Germany.
SAE assigned BMW's factory in Greer, S.C., a "4" as the first character. But BMW began switching to "W" last year. As of this month, BMW says, all Z3 sports cars and X5 sport-utility vehicles made at Greer have VINs beginning with "W."
The remaining 14 characters of the VIN are assigned according to a formula in the code of Federal Regulations.
Perhaps the most useful for consumers is the 10th character. It tells the model year. Model year codes are listed in the accompanying illustration.
If you suspect a shady car seller is trying to peddle a leftover 1999 as a 2000 model, check character No. 10. If it is "X," your suspicions are confirmed. If it's "Y," relax.
The regulations also note that a model-year designation can be "irrespective of the calendar year" as long as the model year doesn't stretch two full calendar years.
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Dave.0 said: ↑Do you consider Toyota's & Honda's American cars? They are made here?Click to expand...
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Every MINI I've ever had the VIN has started with WMW... '05 R50, built in Oxford England... '05 R53, built in Oxford England... '15 R60, built in Austria... All WMW VIN numbers.
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Cars really aren't "built" in countries, anymore. They are "assembled" in a country, with parts and components from other countries. It's all part of the global economy, like it or not. I'm sure that the decision to assemble MINI cars in the UK was integral to the marketing of the product. It's like Lamborghini -- an Audi assembled in Italy. Building MINIs in the UK probably ads perceived value, just as building Lambos in Italy.
I consider my MINI to be a British car.
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ZippyNH said: ↑Qik said: ↑You do realize that BMW assigns German vin# to cars made in the USA right?
The vin# means much less than it once did on a car...
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TheModFather said: ↑Every MINI I've ever had the VIN has started with WMW... '05 R50, built in Oxford England... '05 R53, built in Oxford England... '15 R60, built in Austria... All WMW VIN numbers.Click to expand...
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Since the day after I bought Bitsy, the trim piece next to the right side fog light in this picture has popped out repeatedly after I pop it back in. It just wouldn't stay right. You can see in the pic that it's popped out. Welp, I got the bumper off and and found that the brake cooling duct work was all kiddywampus in there. Popped everything back together and it matches the other side. Previous owner may have ran over a curb or something. Also found out that the lower lip is missing almost all of the plastic tabs that hold it on, Ordered those this morning. Also a little T25 (I believe) bolt/screw is missing on the passenger side. Can't believe she was abused like that.... Also, feels good to be back in school finishing up my automotive degree
Won't use it but hey, gotta finish it!
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I just drove my MINI to McDonalds. I don't go there often, but I had a craving for their breakfast burritos, and their coffee is actually pretty darn good. Believe it or not, I didn't think to look at my VIN. That's what happens when you have a craving for McDonalds breakfast burritos. You don't think of important stuff.
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Drove the wife and sister-in-law and luggage to the airport. Who wants to travel at 5:30am in the morning. Gah!!!
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Well I did nothing with my MINI because I am in Boise. I don't know my vin but I know my 02 R53 was made in Oxford. Back then that was the only place they were made. And no my 02 dose not rattle!
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caseydog said: ↑I just drove my MINI to McDonalds. I don't go there often, but I had a craving for their breakfast burritos, and their coffee is actually pretty darn good. Believe it or not, I didn't think to look at my VIN. That's what happens when you have a craving for McDonalds breakfast burritos. You don't think of important stuff.
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Qik said: ↑The first digit is the location in which it was assembled. I found it once when I first bought the car, but forget which plant it was, but it was in Germany. The passed 3 cars I've had were assembled in the country represented by the 1st digit of the VIN.
I'm not saying what you say isn't true, I don't see it as being legal but crazier **** has happened.Click to expand...
Nothing new....they have been doing it for 17 years...
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Qik said: ↑That's crazy. I'm searching the interwebs as we speak to figure out how they get away with that. I don't remember exactly but when I found out where Bitsy was glued together it was in Germany. I don't care really, but thought that was cool. BMW definitely don't make it easy to find where your car was built via the VIN. It's almost like they want everyone to think they're built in the UK. Gotta do some digging and I eventually found a way on a paid site. If you look up BMW factories they tell you all about what the plant is capable of but not necessarily what all is was built in any specific location. They let you see a little bit but not all. Bastards.Click to expand...
Mostly England, some from the Netherlands under contract, and the GP (gen1) were shipped as shells to Italy to be finished....
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They assemble some cars in Austria too....Countryman, Paceman and the new Clubman I believe.......
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